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AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:10 pm

American Airlines will be offering 3 daily DFW-LGW services in 2004!

DFW-LGW

AA 80 (New)
300p-615a
767-300

AA 50
505p-800a
777-200

AA 78
710p-1005a
777-200

LGW-DFW

AA 51
1025a-220p
777-200

AA 81 (New)
1200n-420p
767-300

AA 79
230p-625p
777-200


This is excellent news for passengers on the West Coast and in the state of Texas... it would appear as if American Airlines is truly on the path to recovery and the British market will again be it’s strong point!


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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:15 pm

Disregard...
Just came off a stretch of 12 hr shifts w/little sleep.... TKS for the correction

[Edited 2004-02-29 07:25:02]

[Edited 2004-02-29 07:25:51]
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:18 pm

Coa764.....


Know the feeling...


Have a good one!



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[Edited 2004-02-29 07:28:53]
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:38 pm

Good news, but from a spotter's perspective, it would have been nice if BA added a second flight rather than AA.

Does anyone know how BA is doing out of DFW? I've heard that they don't make much money flying LGW-DFW, even with AA connections in DFW.

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:00 pm

"This is excellent news for passengers on the West Coast"

I do not see why it would concern those individuals on the West Coast. There are ample non-stops on various carriers from the West Coast into LHR.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:08 pm

Blink, I've actually heard the same on the board and if I remember correctly last summer. Something like BWI, DFW, and DTW are having problems with revenue, not completely sure though.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:43 pm

Well, the flight is not quite daily, it's a little sporadic -- but it has been expanded; it's definitely enough to say that there are officially three AA DFW-LGW flights.

Blink and Lambertman --

I've heard the same thing regarding BA at DFW. I've flown DFW-LGW several times in the past year on AA, and those flights are much fuller than they have been in previous years.

There are many factors that have affected BA's service. First, AA is looking to its international routes in order to restore profitability, primarily because the travellers are higher-yield and there is no LCC competition to speak of. After the de facto closing of the STL hub, they surely didn't want to completely get rid of the STL-LGW flight. Second, given the regulatory environment out there, any hint of collusion between AA and BA at DFW would probably raise significant eyebrows in the antitrust community. Third, there is not much real difference in the products offered by BA and AA. Both are oneworld members, and both are flying to LGW. If BA were able to fly to LHR, I think it would get more passengers.

I think that BA will hold out at DFW, however, and see how things develop. When the new International Terminal D is complete in early 2005, there may be more opportunities for oneworld connections. Also, if AA and BA can get approval to expand there codeshare, these opportunities will hopefully grow. However, with the market saturated with three 777s and one 767, it may be hard for BA to make money. I doubt that BA would ever leave DFW; I don't think the airport would ever allow that to happen, but I do hope that things get better for them.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:27 pm

The 3rd flight was added in order to make up for the discontinued 763 out of STL.

If someone wanted to go from the west coast to London, they would either fly direct or not go out of their way to DFW and instead go to ORD or JFK.

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:37 pm

I have worked for AA @ DFW for years now, and I've wondered why BA uses a gate at the B Terminal? I thought with their Oneworld connection with AA that they would take full advantage of it by using one of AA's gates at the A Terminal, ticket agents and ground crews. AA gave those services to LACSA, TACA (still), Canadian, and Sabena when they served DFW. I think that if they co-ordinated that, BA's load factors would go up. But, I realize they wouldn't want to loose the landing slot that used to be the STL-LGW route.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:59 pm

Maybe BA's fortunes will pick up on LGW-DFW with the fact that it is able to codeshare beyond DFW with AA. I agree that it would probably love to get that service to LHR, but not going to happen for a while.

From what has been said on other threads PHX is another BA US city with low yield - supposedly the 6x weekly 744 this summer is to try and improve that (With LH having dropped PHX).

Separately, anyone know how LGW-ATL does for BA given DL is operating so many LGW-ATL flights?
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:17 am

There goes, teh news for any STL-LGW. Maybe BA will pikc up the slot for the STL-LGW-STL route?? Congrats to DFW for getting the new routes NOW FOCUS ON STL AA!!

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:21 am

Great news for AA and make did recovery on their flight from DFW-LGW flight. It would be fine for them into their flight.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:23 am

This flight operated last year (AA80) after the STL cuts. It will be an additional seasonal service from DFW.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:33 am

There goes, teh news for any STL-LGW. Maybe BA will pikc up the slot for the STL-LGW-STL route?? Congrats to DFW for getting the new routes NOW FOCUS ON STL AA!!

The STL-LGW slot is what made the third DFW-LGW flight possible -- AA just transferred the rights from STL to DFW, so now there is no STL-LGW slot.

This flight operated last year (AA80) after the STL cuts. It will be an additional seasonal service from DFW.


I just looked at AA's timetable, and now it's more than "seasonal." Looks like it is scheduled to operate about 4-5 times per week throughout the year, depending on the time of year.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:35 am

When I first read the thread, my mind thought LGA instead of LGW. I was thinking, "3x daily from Dallas to New York with 763s and 772s?!?! Is there really that much demand to NY?"

LOL.. funny how the mind works, eh?  Big grin
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:40 am

Good, i look forward to seeing something other than an AA772 at LGW!!!

Anyone know when the new flight will come into effect???

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:45 am

Chris, it's been there for a while. The 763 arrives early in the morning and leaves at noon. It's the first flight in, but the second flight out.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:23 am

This flight has been operating since December or so. The expanded service was announced in October:

http://www.amrcorp.com/news/october03/31_dfw.htm
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:28 am

BCA-They probably could operate 10 777s from DFW-LGA!!

Of course after landing they would go off the end of the 7000ft runway into the water!

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:12 am

ssides- are you telling me that STL no longer has a LGW slot? So we will never get it back?

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:26 am

The STL-LGW slot is what made the third DFW-LGW flight possible -- AA just transferred the rights from STL to DFW, so now there is no STL-LGW slot.

ssides- are you telling me that STL no longer has a LGW slot? So we will never get it back?



The above is another case of confusing available slots with route authority


STL is still currently a Bermuda II approved city for LGW.

AA did however utilize the slot at LGW which the defunct STL flight once used, to operate another DFW flight.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:30 am

This summer DL will operate 4 daily ATL-LGW flights, so I don't see why 3 daily flights from the world's second largest hub is such a big deal.

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:37 pm

SES - What kind of a post is that? Someone's just mentioning expanded service from DFW and the ramifications it will/might have. Noone said anything about Atlanta...if you want to talk about that airport, start up a thread. It cracks me up how people get personal about their airports on this website - if something good happens for a "competing" airport, people get all worked up over it.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:39 am

Barton... pot, kettle, black  Big grin

Unless I'm mistaken, all SES was trying to say is that if the world's largest hub can support 4+1 daily flights to LGW.... then it's not that much of a stretch to think that the world's second largest hub can support 3+1. That's all  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-03-01 18:42:19]
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:02 am

Thank you ConcordeBoy for explaining my rationale. Bartond, for your information I don't even live in Atlanta, I'm from Minneapolis, I wasn't pumping up ATL, I was just stating a fact. AA and AA Eagle have over 780 daily flights from DFW and the city is also one of the 10 largest O&D cities in the country, so I was just saying that that makes sense to have 3 daily flights. I just love it when people think that they can ridicule someone else over a post when they don't even know what they're talking about. Big grin

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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:31 am

Okay, okay my bad Jeremy I misinterpreted what you meant by it. Dammit I hate being wrong.

I hope the third flight will work but I've been checking the two existing 772 flights and how full they are online and they haven't been doing as well as I thought they were. Things will pick up for spring break and late spring/early summer vacations so I hope they fill that 3rd flight and maybe they'll jump it up to a 772 someday, too. After all, what happened to AA's plans to send the same type of aircraft to each airport in Europe - i.e.- all 763s to CDG and 763s to Zurich? Does this take a long time to put into place or does this just not apply to LGW, FRA?
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:49 am

AA may not have an extra 777 for the newer DFW-LGW route. The STL-LGW route was a 763, so that is definitely a factor. I would hope that one day it could support a 777 but we will have to see. Four 777s on the route (with BA and AA) -- that's quite a few seats for the DFW-LGW market!
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:35 pm

True, SSides, I'm not sure there's enough total traffic to fill 4 772s on that route. But you raised a good question earlier - how is BA doing on their LGW-DFW route? I keep hearing that it's not doing well but I would think that from the Europe side that it does pretty well - usually people tend to stick with carriers that are closer to their home country and/or those that the people are more familiar with. DFW hasn't done a very good job of maintaining efficiency with its tram system for connections from flights like the BA LGW flight, but I still would think BA, with it's solid reputation, would do okay on this flight.

If they'd give me AA miles on that flight I'd fly BA when I go to Europe. If DFW could get LHR slots, too, then I think the BA flight would do a LOT better. Who knows but looking at the passenger stats on dfwairport.com, BA continues to slide about 3% per month while the LH flight increases traffic 3-5% per month.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:33 pm

DFW hasn't done a very good job of maintaining efficiency with its tram system for connections from flights like the BA LGW flight

It's even worse now:

http://www.dfwairport.com/transport/terminallink.html

They need the new SkyLink so bad! I can't wait until it's up and running! I'm assuming that SkyLink will be well-integrated with the new International Terminal D so that connections after customs will be easier. With the SkyLink system being airside, I originally thought there could be problems with people connecting after clearing customs, but I'm sure the logistics people thought of that (hopefully) when designing the terminal.

[Edited 2004-03-02 15:35:42]
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:02 am

If DFW could get LHR slots

Not without an ammendment to Bermuda II... the traffic is definitely there to warrant a switch, but so are two airlines.
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:32 am

Yeah you're right about the Bermuda issue, Concorde, I had forgotten about that. I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they choose what cities get LHR service. What are the restrictions? If it's by population/traffic base, why wouldn't cities like Atlanta and Houston have rights? Atlanta because of the number of Delta flights along with a BA flight they send back and forth to London and Houston because of the increasing BA flights along with CO flights. Dallas has a bit smaller case I would think.

I guess they've already used up all the slots and they don't want to ruffle feathers so they'll keep things how they are. I'd love to fly an AA/BA 772 into LHR someday nonstop from DFW. Will continue to dream...
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:38 am

I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they choose what cities get LHR service. What are the restrictions?

The 12 cities which had LHR service circa 1977 got to keep it... also, it could only be performed by PA/TW on the American side. Tough sh!t for everyone else.





If it's by population/traffic base, why wouldn't cities like Atlanta and Houston have rights?

If a city can generate a given volume of nonstop pax flow to/from LON within a given time period (I believe it's 300,000 pax in 2 years, but that's a B747-437B question) through a single LHR-approved carrier, that carrier may then choose to op to whichever airport it can-- assuming slots/facilities are available.

That's why BA was able to switch PHX, DEN, and SAN to LHR.

That's also why AA cannot switch over DFW so long as BA is there.

That's also why ATL/IAH are LGW-only.




[Edited 2004-03-02 20:42:56]
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:45 am

Thank you for the clarification. Something I've always wondered about. Maybe things will change at some point when your southern cities start to eclipse places like PHL for traffic, etc.

What happened/will happen to the SAN slot at LHR? Isn't BA stopping this route? Will they just tack it on to somewhere like MIA or LAX or give it to one of these Asian carriers that are trying to start LON-NYC service? So full of questions.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:58 am

What happened/will happen to the SAN slot at LHR?

The slot is apparently being used elsewhere.

As for the route authority... dunno. I'm still not sure it's been [publically] clarified as to whether that flight is terminated, suspended, or to be made seasonal.

In fact, it's prolly time for another BA at SAN thread Big grin
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:32 am

Speakin of threads that need to be resurrected, I believe there's one about rumours of new international service to DFW that needs revitalizing.

Anyone heard anything? Shursh Conc, I've grown tired of the posts on this board and want to hear BS about DFW's prospects on the int'l. front.
 
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RE: AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:38 am

Anyone heard anything?

nothing that hasnt been said ten times before
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