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South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:12 pm

South African Airways has chosen Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - as its foreign global partner.

Confirmed by SAA sources, it aims to join in 2004 with the approval of Star Alliance airlines seen as a formality.

" "But the pros vastly outweigh the cons. Chief among these would be access to global corporate accounts and Star's company contracts.

A spokesman for Star alliance, the biggest in the world, admitted in an interview with Business Times last year that the alliance was actively wooing SAA, not least of all because of its overwhelming presence in Africa, where Star has less influence than its competitor Sky Team. Sky Team members include KLM and Air France, both active in Africa." "

Star Alliance comprises 14 members - of which Singapore Airlines Limited is one of them.

More information at the Sunday Times (South Africa) website

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:57 pm

Anyone know what kind of agreements there are between the Star Alliance members for employee ID tickets?

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:47 pm

this news have also appeared in German media today. as much as i enjoy SA joing Star, the club is getting pretty crowded, don´t you think?

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:54 pm

This would be great news. Star's network in Africa is far below the Skyteam network. So it would be really great news ! Especially that Skyteam was looking for SAA to join their alliance.

Are there some other links to german or other newspapers writing about the SAA / Star alliance ?

[Edited 2004-02-29 15:58:13]
 
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Finally - SAA Joins Star Alliance!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:13 am

It took them 9 years to decide!
Here's something from a South Africa newspaper - now we have to wait for Star's decision.

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/2004/02/29/business/companies/comp01.asp

 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:33 am

If Star is the choice, that means goodbye Delta. Certainly SAA will have to change from ATL to a UA hub like ORD or IAD?
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:34 am

and i thought they were more SKYTEAM friendly.
Delta must be upset. So no more JNB - ATL?! MAybe JNB - ORD instead?
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Sta

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:36 am

LOL, I kinda always thought they'd already be a member, since they have those codeshare flights with LH....
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:38 am

I was hoping SAA to join Oneworld or SkyTeam. Star has enough household-name airlines as it is already.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:46 am

I guess its more of a reason of accessibility is why they joined Star Alliance.

Star Alliance - opens to American markets (United), Asia (ANA and Sinapore), Europe (Lufthansa), Canada (Air Canada) , Australia (Air new zealand), Britain (bmi) and countless others!

Now Star Alliance truly covers all continents except for Antarctica (unless u consider chartered flights?) :P

Good job... I'm very pleased to hear that as a regular SAA flyer.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:52 am

I'm just glad that it's not Skyteam. The only real problem with Star remains to be the Australian domestic market? True or false?
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:54 am

Any chance of them returning to SIN and/or BKK? I wonder if they will still keep HKG.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:59 am

I'm sure SAA will still keep HKG. IT's a HUGE market! Try book a ticket and you need to wait so many weeks before a seat is available.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:12 am

It will be interesting to see how this plays out as far as O'Hare or Dulles. I would probably give Dulles the upper hand as they have been aggressively pursuing foreign flag carriers as of late. Further that allows United and SAA to maximize the number of passengers on the flight since Dulles is on the east coast. While SAA does also have a flight from JFK, there is enough O&D traffic for that flight to operate as a standalone.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:55 am

Hope SA does well on Star, but I also think that Star is indeed getting crowded. There are some overlapping of destinations and two airlines are competing in the same region (TG and SQ for example)... I can say that SA will fill a gap in Star, so I don't think they will face problems of cross competition within the alliance, but I would have expected SA to stay out of alliances and benefit from bilateral agreements with airlines in different alliances (LH and DL in this case). I do think that choosing the best airlines in each market to codeshare is the way to go for some airlines, since not every airline in one alliance is strong in the places you need them to be strong. MX is the biggest example of an airline where the alliance didn't give them the expected benefits... the result, they are the first airline to drop an alliance without going bankrupt of being merged.

I know that MX was not getting the revenue they expected from UA's codeshare. UA is so weak in the Mexican market (a huge market for a Mexican airline) that it doesn't matter how strong the other Star partners are, it was not worth staying as a Star member... better to close a deal with LH and AC to stay as a partner and work with stronger partners (AA).
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:05 am

Should the leaders of Star Alliance consider dropping an airline? I mean, I have to agree it is getting crowded, and would dropping say Thai Airways help it become more efficent?
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:10 am

I was quite surprised when I read the article in the newspaper today...I thought SAA was leaning towards Skyteam.

As already mentioned, I guess this means goodbye to Delta (which I am not sad about), and no doubt Cathay Pacific too...makes you wonder why SAA bothered making Cathay a full Voyager member recently?

I still maintain SAA doesn't need any alliance, but I think Star is a good choice.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:10 am

I think SA is making a mistake for join to Star.Like people say here,Star have many airlines members.For this way,half IATA will be Star Alliance.
BTW,hahahaha Have you read The Sunday Times of SouthAfrica about this issue?  Laugh out loud ....
"...SAA will have to relinquish partnerships it has with carriers that are members of competing alliances,for instance DL in the US,a member of the FRENCH alliance Sky Team" hahahaha.... SkyTeam is French  Big grin What's your opinion,Rojo?
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:37 am

w00t! It would be nice to see South African in SA - Illinois">ORD! Although its a helluva ride from SA - Illinois">ORD-CPT/JNB or they will stop over in Ilha do Sal or something. SA - Virginia">IAD -- yes they do need more foreign carriers and it is closer to CPT/JNB. Maybe SA will get 5th freedom and be able to op SA - Illinois">ORD-SA - California">SFO?

I would love to see what will unfold during the year about this.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:42 am

SAA needs to make up their minds. They used to codeshare with AA, then DL, now probably with UA. At this rate, they'll be back to AA in five years!

I don't know if they'll be able to do a JNB-ORD. That's a long haul -- about 300 miles further than ATL-JNB and 800 further than JFK-JNB.

Didn't they fly MIA-JNB when they codeshared with AA?
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:53 am

They did fly MIA-JNB and also CPT-MIA.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:54 am

This is depressing news. I've come to appreciate and love the South African passengers we encounter when they choose to fly Delta Airlines. It will be very sad news when I learn that my pass benefits on SAA will be taken away.

What is going on with Delta these days? Where is the strength? What does Skyteam have to look forward too? Aeroflot? Great! Grand! Wonderful!
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:40 am

It really shows you on how the economy works - people don't care about others and they only work towards benefitting themselves.

Come to think of it, SAA isn't really benefitting that much from Cathay Pacific. Yes, SAA should still fly direct to HKG, but with Singapore Airlines they can serve all across Asia. Don't forget that Cathay Pacific are rivals with SAA in some ways (Australian flights) etc. And when SAA starts going into China then it becomes even more interesting.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:38 am

Even if you have problems with Aeroflot I think they are going into STAR
If it is for sure great news for STAR, the most airlines they are cooperation with is already in STAR
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:22 am

What's this about Star being crowded? As someone who actually flies on a number of the members each year, I have no complaints. Asia is a huge market and there's plenty of business for Thai, Singapore, ANA and Asiana. If you think Star is crowded in that area, you've never been there and seen the dense population, thriving business climate and tons of demand for air travel. And in Europe, the many Star members are making their schedules mesh and complement each other to the BENEFIT of frequent travelers. Those of you who think it's crowded in STAR likely don't fly much.

And for those of you who don't think a "crowded" alliance is efficient. Sorry, but again, as someone who actually uses a number of the carriers each year, STAR is extremely efficient. Baggage, frequent flyer recognition, schedules, airline clubs....all are handled extremely well by STAR members to the great benefit of users like me.

Great to have SAA on board and there's plenty of business for it. Can't wait until they start flying to Dulles or Chicago!

[Edited 2004-03-01 01:28:21]
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:28 pm

They can also kiss good bye to their code share agreements with QF out of SYD and PER.

Do they code share with BA from flights to/fro LHR and within Africa?
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:21 pm

SA has no code share with BA.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:03 pm

Even if you have problems with Aeroflot I think they are going into STAR
If it is for sure great news for STAR, the most airlines they are cooperation with is already in STAR


Huh?

Aeroflot already says they tend to join Skyteam if that's what you we're talking about.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:48 pm

just because SAA seem to have chosen the Star Alliace it doesnt mean they will drop their relationships with non star airlines. QF still has relationships with non OW airlines. SAS is still part of the QF FFP.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:21 pm

My bet is they'll go to IAD. It's 300 less miles then ATL, while ORD is 300 more miles then ATL.

SAA, WELCOME TO THE STAR ALLIANCE!

And I do look forward to my ID-95's! YAHOOOOO!

Now if we could only get better coverage over India! Come on UA! Bring back the old notion of ORD-DEL! Maybe SFO-DEL???

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:23 pm

ID95s? You'll be lucky, staff only get ID90! (After 4 ID00 of course)

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:28 pm

we get ID-95's on all Star Carriers, even US Air who's not even officially part of the family. I assume things will be the same with SAA too.

We even get buddy passes on LH and a few other original Star Partners for our friends. Plus we get ID-75's or better for parents/spouses/domestic partners on many of the carriers!

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:29 pm

With SAA joining Star, which other african airlines that's left for Oneworld & Skyteam? I'm not looking down on other carriers, it's just that SAA is by far the leading african airline.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:55 pm

Kenya Airways is partly owned by KLM which is owned by Air France . . . doesn't this naturally mean that Kenya Airways will go to Skyteam?

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:06 pm

Aeroflot already says they tend to join Skyteam if that's what you we're talking about.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:56 pm

I also heard about these news on german media, so I asked a friend of mine who works for SAA and he told me that it is only rumours...

He told me that this has defenetly no yet been decided!!! There are always rumours about joining Oneworld, SkyTeam or Star...but as far as he knows this decision is still to be made!!!

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South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:00 pm

Great News  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Im glad SAA chose star, that will please my FA friend from BMI who told me that there was a rumour starting of them starting a MAN - JNB service for the summer using an A330.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:00 pm

Good for SAA, its a logical choice, and it doesn't mean they necessarily have to end cooperation agreements with non-Star carriers (although I imagine SA)">UA will baulk at SA)">DL's codeshare agreements on SA - New York">JFK/SA - Georgia">ATL-CPT/JNB, and want to see them replaced - however, they'd have to come up with a pretty compelling alternative to the SA - Georgia">ATL service - SAA don't need SA)">DL so much for O&D, as for the feed through the hub in SA - Georgia">ATL from across the US - SA codeshare on a bunch of SA)">DL domestic flights, and with SA)">UA looking a bit creaky and with the loss of most of the regional feed into SA - Virginia">IAD, will SA - Virginia">IAD be good enough ? SA - Illinois">ORD is too far, what other East coast hub option do SA have with SA)">UA ? SA)">UA is negligible in SA - Florida">MIA, SA - Florida">FLL - possibly SA - Florida">MCO ? Maybe it should be an airport where US and SA)">UA combined have a reasonable feed, but I can't think of anywhere.

SA has a lot of codeshare agreements with non-Star companies, but these can always be reconsidered - SA could re-enter the JNB-SYD market and connect AKL pax to NZ in PER (or codeshare JNB-PER-AKL). They could reinstate service to BKK codeshare with TG and RG, continuing the flight on to KIX or NRT (codeshare with NH).

I don't think there was ever even the remotest possiblity that SA would join Oneworld, and with KLM and AF (+KQ) already in Skyteam (or nearly), their need for another African carrier was less strong than Star's - I'm sure Star will do well with SA. Africa was a big hole in Star's network, which they have plugged nicely, especially if TC and the new Nigerian airline come in too.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:18 pm

"as much as i enjoy SA joing Star, the club is getting pretty crowded, don´t you think?"

No, not at all. I think Star needs a quality African airline.

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:36 pm

If for some reason Star management feels that their alliance is getting overcrowded, they would probably kick out some other partners but welcome SAA is open arms...
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:18 am

I'm sure this will mean the discontinuation of the ATL service.

What I'm unsure on is the rectified East Coast service.

Obviously, JFK can sustain itself. The Delta feed to that flight was minimal.

Here's where it gets weird.

They have the choice of three major coastal Star Alliance hubs: PHL, CLT, and IAD. These are the only hubs they could profitably serve with their current fleet types, although I suppose ORD via Ilha do Sal is certainly doable.

Replacing the feed potential of ATL is hardly a trivial proposition, in fact, it can't be done in the US with just one service. I would think the best action would be to serve both CLT and IAD.

IAD feasibly provides access to almost everything that PHL does, with the stronger cross country and midwestern feed from United. CLT is an extremely strong southeast hub, not ATL strong, but certainly has better coverage than IAD does in the southernmost parts of the US.

The other confusing topic is the *A terminal at MIA. MIA is clearly the closest airport in the continental States to South Africa, but with UA retrenching the hub flying I don't know how much sense that really makes anymore, if any.

I'll close by saying I'm extremely pleased with SAA's decision in this matter, I'll be having frequent need to visit Durban on business and I look forward to sampling their service with my *A elite privileges.

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:24 am

what are ID95 and ID90 ?
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:28 am

Moolies, ID95 - Industry Discount 95%, ID90 - Industry Discount 90%. These are airline/travel industry discount airline tickets.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:32 am

oh thanks i see.

the saa staff i belive get so many free tickets per year on saa.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:37 am

I was mistaken.

While MIA and FLL are closer to CPT, JFK and BOS are both closer to JNB.

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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:17 am

What are other requirements when joining Star Alliance?

Would SAA have to change, add, or improve some of their services to be consistent with other airlines?

Besides benefitting SAA financially, more alliance networks, etc mentioned above, what other benefits are there that SAA (or its passengers might receive). Improved service? Improved equipment? New international standards? etc?
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:25 am

Eddieho,
I don't think you can look to the Alliance for improvments to standards or service improvements. As airlines go, SAA already has higher standards than most. The most tangible benefit to passengers will be the strengthening of existing cooperation between SAA and airlines such as BD, LH, TG and RG. For the North American market, look for possibly better routings as SAA considers alternates to ATL (most likely IAD or ORD). Already, the Star Alliance frequent traveler program is amongst the strongest. SAA's participation ads strength to existing members' networks, just as current members will add benefits for SAA's mileage program.
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:50 am

I think SA could be happier in OW or in the "french" SkyTeam
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:00 am


It will be interesting to see what happens on the Johannesburg-Perth and Sydney-Johannesburg flights. Currently SAA flies to Perth and QF to Sydney and both codeshare with the other. I'm sure Air New Zealand would want to muscle in on this relationship but I'm not sure how much feed they could provide to SAA in Sydney. DJ would be a better choice for a partner and they could strike a deal similar to UAL's but since DJ has started services over the Tasman I'm not sure ANZ would like that.

Previously they both used to fly Johannesburg-Perth-Sydney with QF also serving Harare as part of the same flight. I'm sure both routes would be highly profitable for the airlines as a cosy monopoly on each so it would be interesting to see what some good old fashioned competition would do to it. I doubt that QF would want to dedicate a 747 to fly Perth-Johannesburg without it continuing to Sydney. I also doubt they would want to give up their direct Sydney-Johannesburg flights. On the SAA side, they could fly both routes with A340's if they wanted to.

Interestng times are ahead if QF & SAA terminate their agreement.
 
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RE: South African Airways - A Future Member Of Star

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:06 am

Sydscott, there's no reason to believe that QF & SA will terminate their agreement. Many airlines maintain agreements outside their alliances. The QF/SA agreement has been mutually profitable for both carriers. Since NZ doesn't have traffic rights, they're not likely going to go after the market.

Anexbla: Your blatant nationalism does not advance these discussions at all. Exactly how would SAA be better off with Oneworld or SkyTeam. Please support your claim with coherent arguements!
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