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AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:39 pm

American Eagle will add service between the current mainline-only routes of Dallas-Charlotte, O'Hare-Atlanta, O'Hare-Minneapolis/St. Paul, and O'Hare Montreal.

The changes:

Dallas-Charlotte:
Current: 5 M80
Eff. 01May04: 4 M80, 3 ERJ-140

O'Hare-Atlanta:
Current: 5 F100, 2 M80
Eff. 12Jun04: 4 M80, 4 ERJ-140

O'Hare-Minneapolis:
Current: 10 F100, 1 M80
Eff. 07Mar04: 8 F100, 1 M80, 1 ERJ-145
Eff. 05Apr04: 7 F100, 2 M80, 2 ERJ-145

O'Hare-Montreal:
Current: 2 F100, 2 M80
Eff. 12Jun04: 1 F100, 2 M80, 1 ERJ-145
Eff. 01Jul04: 2 M80, 2 ERJ-140
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:49 pm

This just shows the need for AA to find a replacement for the F100, which I think ought to be the 737-700.

AA is not going to compete well when AC flies nothing but mainline between ORD and YUL, DL flies nothing but mainline between ORD and ATL, and NW and UA fly nothing but mainline between ORD and MSP.

I fly between ORD and ATL on AA, both for business and pleasure. The thought of flying on RJ is not at all appealing. What is less appealing is trying to stuff my toddler's car seat into the very narrow seat of an RJ.
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:09 pm

Why'd they put the -140 on these, couldn't they use the CRJ-700's?

I assume these are going to be off-peak midday flights and such.

This pretty much says we'll be seeing ERJ's on the DTW-ORD run soon as the F-100 replacement.

Probably on ORD-DCA and ORD-HPN too.
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:16 pm

This pretty much says we'll be seeing ERJ's on the DTW-ORD run soon as the F-100 replacement.

I too thought AA would move to an ERJ-operation on DTW-ORD (with MD-80/B738 during peak) as it would increase frequency from the current seven daily (during weekdays). However, AA loaded its schedule changes last night and DTW-ORD will become an all-MD80 operation. To make up for extra capacity, DTW-MIA will be reduced to one daily (from three). I guess the route did well when NW was down to one daily flight, but now that NW's added three flights, AA's DTW-MIA operation is suffering...
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:23 pm

Probably on ORD-DCA and ORD-HPN too.

You likely will not see any RJs on ORD-DCA. ORD-HPN is an iffy. It is a very high-yielding market for AA with lot's of F demand, so ideally it will be switched to MD80s. However, the locals might not be happy with that plan.

DTW-MIA will be reduced to one daily (from three). I guess the route did well when NW was down to one daily flight, but now that NW's added three flights, AA's DTW-MIA operation is suffering...

MIA-DTW will be back to three dailies in the winter (16Dec04), even though it has not been uploaded in the schedules yet.
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:29 pm

I doubt that AA would put RJs on ORD-DCA, only because too many people, both government and non-government employees, fly to Washington on business.

I looked at the ORD-ATL schedule. Frankly, I don't see why AA doesn't fly 5 MD-80s and forget the RJs.

There are two ideas in play here. First, the airlines think that the airline passenger wants a multitude of departures. Multiple options are nice, but don't boast about making upgrades easier, then taking away flights that have first-class cabins.

Second, AA says that it doesn't care with AA or Eagle pilots fly the future 100 seat jet. But it also wants the pay for the 100-seat jet to be on Eagle's scale, which means that management really wants Eagle pilots to fly the next jet.

 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:46 pm

MIA-DTW will be back to three dailies in the winter (16Dec04), even though it has not been uploaded in the schedules yet.

But they pulled it during the recent update. When I was looking for a reward ticket to SJU several weeks ago (during the Holiday season), there were three dailies. I think NW restoring flights & AA overestimating the market had a lot to do with the decrease. I needed to connect to Aer Lingus at JFK, so I choose DTW-MIA-JFK (since I wasn't about to find myself from LGA to JFK) and the DTW-MIA and MIA-DTW portions are wide open (my travel dates are within a couple weeks).
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:35 pm

But they pulled it during the recent update.

AA's winter 2004/2005 schedule will not be uploaded until August or so.

The way AA uploads thier schedules is extremely annoying. New frequencies in markets will almost always be shown as year-round, even in seasonal markets. They are eventually pulled. Like MIA-DEN. The second-daily is a seasonal, runs every year between December and April. It is uploaded into the schedules as a permanent frequency around late August, and then when the summer schedule is made in late January, an ending date appears.

Part of it is to test the market. The 2nd daily MIA-YUL frequency added this past November was to be seasonal (though was bookable through 331 days), but was made year-round.

I actually don't think the third MIA-DTW flight will return the next winter, but the second one will. MIA-DTW, BDL, IAD, and DEN have second-daily frequencies that run only during the winter and won't be bookable until August or so.
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:59 pm

MIA-DTW will be back to three dailies in the winter (16Dec04), even though it has not been uploaded in the schedules yet.

Like MAH4546, according to what I've heard myself (from mgmnt), MIA frequencies will return in the winter season; whether it will be one or two additionals, we'll have to wait until almost the last minute. AA is known, internally, to throw in additional flights without notice.

Anyway, the MIA flights are interesting... as for how well they did? The evening DTW-MIA departure was one of those flights that during the off-peak days, the load would be from 40%-70%, however, the inbound MIA-DTW would be 60%-90%.. so one of the two segments had a decent load. I don't think NW has had to much of an effect on AA's planning. The extra capacity surely doesn't help. Plus you have Spirit depressing the yield with people willing to pay less to go to FLL.

About ORD,

Just like IndustrialPate and PSU.DTW.SCE, we are waiting for these Eagle flights to get dumped on the weekday mainline schedule (we already have a ORD (and DFW--btw, been hearing a lot of weight restriction problems with this flight) AE flight on the weekend)... I'm sure they are bound to come, as a mix though, during peak times, those planes can fill up with passengers and cargo, plus the agents now are going over additional material on "familiarizing" with Eagle aircraft. Which by the way, except for the 6 a.m. LGA flight, all AE flights are now officially out of gate B-8.
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:24 am

I don't see the ORD-ATL RJ flight as too much of a big deal. AA is probably the "third carrier" in this market anyway, behind DL and UA. AA has never really wasted its time with ATL, considering the AirTran and Delta competition.
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:58 am

Ssides,

"AA has never really wasted its time with ATL, considering the AirTran and Delta competition."

That's why AA has 12 daily ATL-DFW flights and just expanded ATL-MIA from 5 daily flights to 6 daily flights. AA is a major player in ATL. They had 32 daily mainline flights until they reconfigured their STL hub.
 
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RE: AEagle On DFW-CLT, ORD-ATL/MSP/YUL

Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:48 pm

I don't think NW has had to much of an effect on AA's planning.

Well, I didn’t mean to imply that AA choose not to compete with NW’s additional frequencies  Smile. But I believe NW’s flight restorations played an impact on the market conditions that affected the forecasts AA utilized to pull the flights they added last year. I could understand going from three flights to two -- the third flight was quickly added after the second flight & seemed be AA taking advantage of the lack of nonstop service in the market -- but the pulling of the second flight is a bit of a surprise. After all, it was long-planned to give DTW single-connection opportunities for long-haul flights into Latin/South America (as well as the other stuff that comes with increasing frequency).