ultraviolet
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ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:53 am

Hi, I'm flying a lot with ID-Tickets, issued by Lufthansa.
As I am a "dependent child" I'm restricted in flying other airlines than Lufthansa. But I often got my tickets endorsed to other Airlines (e.g. a TG-Ticket to NZ or an UA-Ticket to NZ) which I would normally not allowed to fly. Is this just luck or are there any rules for endorsing ID-Tickets?

Thx,
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PA110
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:06 am

It really depends on the carrier, route and circumstances. I was on a PanAm nonrev ticket for a flight that got diverted. Lufthansa actually ended up carrying me the rest of the way. They had absolutely no obligation to, and it probably costed them money.

As a rule, ID tickets are not generally endorsable except for "pooled" service (where two carriers share the route and all the revenue). SN used to do this with SK between BRU and CPH back in the 80's. Nonrevs could fly either airline interchangeably. With the advent of the major alliances, there might be some emerging benefits for staff. I'm not sure. Maybe someone from UA/LH could comment.
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:26 am

It also seems to me as it is just a decision of the counter staff.
I was very lucky some months ago when LX flew me out of Cairo to ZRH because the LH-flights on that day an the following days where horribly overbooked. And there is for sure no agreement between LH and LX...  Wink/being sarcastic

I just would like to know if my impression is correct that it only depends on the person you are talking with.

Does anyboday know if there are special rules between Star Alliance partners? AFAIK codesharing alone doesn't mean anything for ID-Tickets..
 
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:36 am

Actually LH accepts our LX ID tickets, so I guess it is the rule as well the other way around.

I fly every week on a LX ticket reading ZRH-MAD-ZRH, and Iberia always accepts me on the GVA-MAD-GVA legs (LX doesnt fly between GVA and MAD anymore, hence the ZRH-MAD-ZRH ticket).
 
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:44 am

Yep. That's the good thing with the ID Zone fares which are used by most of the airlines. It should make it quite easy to change or endorse a ticket within the same zone. That's what it looks like with the GVA-MAD leg.

Does anybody have a list showing the zones an their fares?
 
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:52 am

I think this issue of endorsing ID tickets is a "gray area", I believe a carrier who accepts your ID ticket showing another carrier will ultimately get the money as long as both the issuing carrier and operating carrier interline. No matter how much planning one takes into ensuring you have as many tickets needed to go point A to B, you ultimately will find yourself in a situation where you ask another carrier to accept another carrier's ID tix. Most ground staff will accomodate as we are all in the same boat, although some will not.

Just like PA110 said-that airlines pool on certain markets and will freely accept each others ID tix. One time I was trying to use my DL pass benefits to non-rev on OS, (actually VO VIE-PRG, where I was supposed to have an ID90 on VO), and the VO flight was only booked with a handfull of pax-so the OS staff called the pax to the gate and put on an OK flight. I saw what was happening and knew there was no way I would get on this flight as my DL internal pass was worthless to OK, but to my surprise I was called and given a seat on the OK flight. Perhaps this was an example of a "local agreement" where staff have authority to do this.
 
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RE: ID-Tickets - Endorsing Rules?

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:53 am

Does anybody have a list showing the zones an their fares?

ALL FARES IN USD
...............................................................
DISTANCE/. ZL . ZL .. ZM . ZM .. ZH . ZH ..
IN MILES . F BASIS .FARE.. F BASIS .FARE.. F BASIS .FARE..
...............................................................
1-450 . YIDZL1R2 . 13 .. YIDZM1R2 . 19 .. YIDZH1R2 . 25 ..
451-750 . YIDZL2R2 . 16 .. YIDZM2R2 . 25 .. YIDZH2R2 . 36 ..
751-1600 . YIDZL3R2 . 21 .. YIDZM3R2 . 30 .. YIDZH3R2 . 44 ..
1601-3200. YIDZL4R2 . 32 .. YIDZM4R2 . 43 .. YIDZH4R2 . 68 ..
3201-4080. YIDZL5R2 . 37 .. YIDZM5R2 . 50 .. YIDZH5R2 . 89 ..
4081-5000. YIDZL6R2 . 41 .. YIDZM6R2 . 59 .. YIDZH6R2 .105 ..
5001-6100. YIDZL7R2 . 49 .. YIDZM7R2 . 63 .. YIDZH7R2 .113 ..
6101-7100. YIDZL8R2 . 57 .. YIDZM8R2 . 70 .. YIDZH8R2 .126 ..
7101-9000. YIDZL9R2 . 63 .. YIDZM9R2 . 85 .. YIDZH9R2 .150 ..
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