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Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:46 am

Last time I was at Hobby, FL was still using the Antique "Mobile Home" terminal. Have they moved into the new terminal yet? Just wondering.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:55 am

Good question. I haven't been to HOU since June, and I was only in the small AAEagle section then. I'd be interested to see how the new terminal looks when finished.

Also, what is the "antique mobile home" terminal at HOU?
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:02 am

Thank you Bryan for that insightful commentary  Big grin

According to the Houston Airport webpage, which was last updated at some point in 2004, AirTran is flying from Terminal B.

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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:03 am

There is no consturction that is going on at HOU. I was there last night.
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:05 am

Ben,
Just felt it was my duty to chime in on my experiences with this "airline" if that's what they like to call it. Big grin
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:12 am


I didn't think they were even close to being finished with construction. If you stand in C (where the HOU-DAL flights used to be), you can see the new gates right in front of the window. The old concourse C (AA Eagle and DL) is still standing, so construction must be going on.

From the HOU site:
[2] NEW CENTRAL CONCOURSE

Southwest Airlines' operations are currently split between Concourses A and C. As part of the capital improvements pro- gram, Concourses B and C will be demolished in phases and a new single 20-gate central concourse will be constructed for Southwest Airlines. The new central concourse will offer improved passenger amenities and services. In addition the existing terminal will be expanded and renovated to provide Southwest Airlines' passengers with improved access between the curbside and each gate.

 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:17 am

Sorry. It was late and rainny when I arrived. I did see some construction vehciles but thought nothing of it. However, I thought it was weried departing from gate A8 last night. WN used to be in B at HOU.

WN had a banner up in the A concourse saying will be moving in April.
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:19 am

I know that some flights are out of A and some out of the 'new' B. Below is a link to show what the end product should look like:

http://hou.houstonairportsystem.org/masterplan/process
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:45 am

Just felt it was my duty to chime in on my experiences with this "airline" if that's what they like to call it. Well, Let me chime in then. FL is a great little airline, I would hardly call Concourse C a trailer park. You have to remember, Concourse C was, is, and probably always will be the bastard concourse of ATL. But I still think it is nice. Warm, and Southerly. It sure is a breath of fresh air from all those Delta jets you see in Every Concourse
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:11 pm

As it turns out, the city's site is a little general and dated... Effective tomorrow, Tuesday, March 2nd, SWA is moving more flights.... This was issued last week, on 2/26...
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HOU Travel Advisory:
New HOU Gates Will Bring Changes
With eight new gates opening on Tuesday, March 2 at Houston’s Hobby Airport, please encourage our Customers to check flight monitors, or ask a Southwest representative for assistance during the next several weeks. This transition will involve gate changes from the A Concourse to the new Central Concourse.
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After the move, SWA will be closing "A" Concourse gates 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8. The remaining "A: Concourse gates 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11 (with 10 as a spare) will be supposedly be used for all WESTBOUND flights from HOU.

I would imagine that with all the SWA gate roulette, other airlines will be making changes as well.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:48 pm

I haven't been in the new terminal yet, but as far as the old terminals go, they are trash. Pure and simple. Trash. I'm sure the new one is nice though. I hope to God it is.  Smile
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:29 pm

HOU has been around a LOOONG time. The A terminal by and large hasn't changed at all since I was a child of 7 and I'm 31 now! The B terminal is a breath of fresh air and means I no longer absolutely detest flying out of HOU anymore. It's airy, comfortable, quiet and very pleasing visually. Now if they'd just knock down the rest of the airport it'd be great.  Big grin
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:53 pm

Alright you guys and Hobby Aiports fans. Here is some news and answers.

Hobby Airport is currently undergoing to Terminal recontruction at the moment.

Southwest, will open the second half of central central concourse tomorrow (March 2nd). Expect more food places, such as Wendy's to open tomorrow along with the second phrase of of the Central Concourse.

Southwest's A ticket counter has now been shut down. All check-in for Southwest is in the central area of the Hobby Airports Terminal.

Airtran is still at B concourse, but in April, that will change. Starting in April, FL will be located to C concourse a long with American, and Delta.

Concourse B will be taken down for construction on the Appron for gates, 20,22,24,26 on the central concourse. the North side end of central concourse.

A concourse is still standing with only a fraction of Southwest flights operating out of this concourse now. PHX,LAX,LAS,CRP,ELP,SAT,AUS, are the main cities that have flights out of the A concourse, everything esle will be on Central Concourse starting tomorrow. Gates A2,A4,A6,A8 will be taken down for Appron contruction and the next phrase of the Hobby Airport terminal recontruction project.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:27 pm

DeltaMD11,
"AirTran aircraft are basically flying Winnebago's if you want to get to the heart of the issue. Ghetto fabulous operation, and quite shady if you ask me. Turned a simple trip to Florida into a nightmare of lost luggage and poor service."

Who's more successful now, growing and actually profitable??

Many DL passengers are happier with our service and leaving the $1000 fares and Medallion crap behind them, gee no wonder

May we say envy!!

Cheers! Smile
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:49 am

Nice to see you try to retort, but lets go over a few of the things I experienced on my trip with FL. Where should we begin? I fly pretty much according to equipment-whatever equipment I have a hankering for, that's what I fly (if of course it's convenient and not going to cost me an arm and a leg as opposed to other carriers). Ok, so a little 5 day excursion down to Florida to stay with my Great Aunt who lives in there during the winter months so that she can play golf.

Out of my four lovely (I use that word lightly) legs with AirTran, 1 departed on-time. Terminal C at ATL---maintenance consists of buckets to catch water and duct tape where applicable. You'd think AirTran would spend a little money on fixing it up since it's where the majority of their flights go in and out of. I boarded the aircraft at ATL to continue on to find a wet blanket in my seat and a McDonalds coke cup in my seat pocket. Lovely. Not only that but our luggage was mishandled--BOTH WAYS. Not just on the trip down, but on the trip back home as well. The day we arrived in Florida, we had to go back to the airport 3 hours later to get our bags which were brought in on a later flight-needless to say that was a bit of an annoyance. I would certainly have thought 1 1/2 hours connecting time would be plenty for them to move our bags 4 gates down into another aircraft. I think the only good part of that trip was flying on the DC-9's themselves. Other than that, the service was horrible. We took one trip with AirTran, and that was a mistake. Never again. For $30 more per person we could have had nice, clean aircraft, arrived on time, and chances are our baggage wouldn't have been mishandled either. You pay for what you get when you fly AirTran-nothing (asides from a headache).
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:09 am

The Hobby reconstruction really seems to have crept along at a snail's pace... Southwest received four or five new gates about eight months ago and only now are moving their bulk of their operations (with the addition of new gates today) to the new concourse.

To answer the question about AirTran... the plan calls for building another concourse, located roughly where Southwest's Concourse A is now, that will be used by the 'other' carriers at HOU (CoEx, American, Delta and AirTran.) I assume this will be built once the Southwest terminal is complete - does anyone know for sure?
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:15 am

So where are they going to put Continental and COEx when they start fly from HOU to EWR and CLE respectively?

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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:18 am

Back in early December when I passed through HOU, FL was still using the old area. WN's Texas councourse (Texas flights were the only ones leaving from there when I was there) is extraordinarily well done. Nice design, light, airy, a dramatic improvement!

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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:33 am

Terminal C at ATL---maintenance consists of buckets to catch water and duct tape where applicable. You'd think AirTran would spend a little money on fixing it up since it's where the majority of their flights go in and out of.

Building MX on Concourse C is not AirTran's responsibility, it is the airport authorities' responsibility. I've seen buckets and duct tape on most of the concourse except E, the leaky roofs are being taken care of, as the airport can get around to doing it. Blame the city's bid policy, not the airlines for the leaky roofs.
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:04 am

I've traveled through ATL a good deal and the Delta terminals are NOTHING like Terminal C. You can't tell me that Delta hasn't dumped some money into those terminals to make them as nice as they are.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:53 am

Just an FYI, AirTran no longer flies DC-9's  Smile !!

We fly an all new Boeing fleet, with an average age of 2.6 years and it is getting younger and younger with 50 new Boeing 737's starting to arrive in June 2004, along with 10 more B-717's......50 more Boeing 737's are on option. We are a profitable carrier, unlike Delta, so we must be doing something right  Smile !!

Delta doesn't have a clue how to run a low-cost carrier.
Song????? What a joke !!

We are also getting XM Satellite Radio in all of our aircraft and we aren't even charging the passengers for it. It will work with most "normal" headphone jacks that people have for their computers and walkmans......



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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:57 pm

The Hobby reconstruction really seems to have crept along at a snail's pace... Southwest received four or five new gates about eight months ago and only now are moving their bulk of their operations (with the addition of new gates today) to the new concourse.

To answer the question about AirTran... the plan calls for building another concourse, located roughly where Southwest's Concourse A is now, that will be used by the 'other' carriers at HOU (CoEx, American, Delta and AirTran.) I assume this will be built once the Southwest terminal is complete - does anyone know for sure?


You are correct, contruction has been slow but its starting to pick up from the looks of it. Yes A concourse is supose to be rebuild a long with that Terminal side wich is supose to be widen.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:39 pm

Thanks for that FYI Jay (something I'm well aware of)---pity they retired the Diesel 9. Was a good aircraft, although cost cutting and commonality is the name of the game these days so it was a good move on their part. The trip I'm referencing took place in December of 2002.

It's easy to say that right now AirTran is more profitable than Delta (or any other major for that matter except Southwest). This is due in part to the sour global economy right now. You have to remember that AirTran is the size of a peanut compared to the operations that the majors have and AirTran has found itself nice little markets that they've dug themselves into being able to offer low fairs due to a relatively low CASM. That coupled with the fact that many of the smaller cities give AirTran subsidies to serve them to make sure that they can sustain competitive mainline service (Wichita immediately comes to mind). AirTran doesn't have to compete with other carriers on premium routes (maybe with the exception of DL to Florida, and I have to admit they have been able to gain a sizeable marketshare) to Europe, Asia, or elsewhere. I'm not trying to be bias to Delta really, I'm speaking on behalf of the rest of the majors in which I've all-around experienced a higher level of service and comfort albeit at prices a little more than AirTran would charge. For $30 more I'd rather have a clean plane, have my bags arrive when I do, and not be given the run around by customer service telling us that we had inadequate connection time in ATL for them to be able to move our bags--that's what really ticked us off. We were on the ground for an hour and a half, way more than enough time for them to move our bags a few gates down. That trip was a nightmare. We'll stick with what works from now on and fly venerable companies that we have had countless excellent experiences with (mainly DL, NW, CO, HP).

And in your reference to Song--I have yet to fly them but would really like to try them (oooh, I'm a poet and didn't know it). I have friends that have flown Song and said that they're great. Haven't heard too much negative feedback about them (even from a friend who is a loyal jetBlue fan said that Song is pretty nice), and consider your comment just a cheap jab without any true substance. Have a good one!

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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:05 pm

DeltaMD11,

You are extremely biased towards Delta so I am not even going to bother commenting further. If it weren't for AirTran in the markets, you'd be paying much higher and outrageous fares for your trips, no matter where they are. In fact, a friend of mine who works for CO told me that he was in a meeting and the DL folks were there also, (SkyTeam) and they reported that LCC are affecting 68% of their route structure. Before AirTran started service between ATL and SFO, the fare was $727.00 one-way. When we started service there, we dropped the fare to $112.00 one-way. Of course, DL and UA matched it but do you think they would have lowered their fare to a very reasonable fare level without us in the market? NOPE !!

The legacy carriers continue to rape and pileage the American consumer because their costs are so out of line, especially the pilots and especially the pilots at DL !!!!

I'm not wasting anymore time with this subject. Obviously we must be doing something right or AA, DL and others wouldn't now be fighting us tooth and nail for every route we open up! AA is offering triple mileage on any route that they compete with us on out of DFW..............

My comments about Song are my belief and I'll stick to them. No one has EVER made a low-fare carrier work within the confines of a regular carrier. It didn't work in the past, it won't work now, it won't work in the future..........

Can you say, Continental Lite, Shuttle by United/United Shuttle, MetroJet, Delta Express????? All failures............I rest my case........


 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:14 pm

JayDavis,its nice you believe in your company,now when your airline grows up and has the serves as many cities as the majors and their partners then brag. I considered flying Airtran to Florida,but the wait times in ATL were pathetic,so I am flying DL for cheaper fare.........go figure........No disrespect to Airtran.

I will give Airtran credit for this,and that is turning it around from the embarrassment that was called Valuejet into a respectle carrier.

 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:07 am

Biased to DL on what grounds (other than my username). If you've payed any attention to what I've said I'm comparing all of the majors vs. rinky dink AirTran--amazing how defensive and worked up you're getting.

Good work with the misnomer by the way (there is no such thing as a "legacy carrier").

And lets look at your initial comment about Song:
"Delta doesn't have a clue how to run a low-cost carrier.
Song????? What a joke !!"

That's a little different then saying the airline within an airline idea will fail---you're projecting two different ideas here. Have you actually FLOWN with Song? Nothing like making blanken statements. and of course an airline is going to do everything in their power to compete with other airlines. If US were to add additional frequency from PHL-ATL (which would be highly unlikely, but not impossible for them to do) don't you think DL and FL would do something about it? I mean after all, that would be encroaching on their markets. I think comparing AirTran to the majors in respect to *economics* is basically comparing apples to oranges---not really a good comparison. When AirTran gets through puberty and can fit into a bra so to speak then we'll see how she does against the big boys.




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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:02 am

DeltaMD11, I would like to try SONG out one day, I hear they are pretty good. That having been said, think about this. AirTran is in the middle of a huge expansion project. I personally think Concourse C is suitable to fly in and out (After all, ASA's side of C is just as bad). It is the Airport Authority's Responsibility to fix up Concourse C, and the only reason Concourse A & B are not that bad is because DL has their main office right across the street. FL's main office is in Orlando, and if you really want to compare, look at Concourse D. That place is a bastard if I've ever seen one. Skinny, not much traffic, and It just plain STINKS. Aside from the new Plasma screens the city of ATL got for D1-D9, Concourse D Sucks. I wouldn't mind flying DL one day (I wish I could fly one of their 764s one day), but until they bring MD88s into GPT, I will stick with FL (I hate regional jets).

JayDavis, Even though fares were higher before AirTran entered, You could also notice that with the higher fares came better service. Planes WERE clean, Food was served, and usually you got a movie or two on Trans Con flights. I agree with DeltaMD11 in some manner, AirTran isn't perfect. Most, if not all of my experiences on AirTran have been WONDERFUL, but then again, would I be saying that had I paid $727.00 One way on Delta on the flight before it. I fly AirTran because they get me where I need to go and I like the Boeing 717s. And they have a pretty inferior FFP too. But if another airline with better service showed up, or if DL started bringing bigger planes into GPT, I would fly them out (Probably). I like AirTran, don't get me wrong, and I am a very loyal customer, but I am also one of those Pick n' grab customers. So far, FL is doing things right, and it hasn't changed, so neither will I.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:12 am

JayDavis --

Good to see you again. I have a question about this, however:

AA is offering triple mileage on any route that they compete with us on out of DFW..............

I haven't heard about this. Does it include all markets, or just non-stop markets? Sorry to disappoint your company, but I've been a loyal AAdvantage member for a long time, and I'm flying several routes (DFW-DCA, DFW-MSP) that are served by AirTran in the future (already booked on AA). However, I haven't been told about the triple miles. Any info?
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:14 am

I was just going to mention that ASA is on the other end of "D", which is wholy owned by Delta :P So how is it AirTran's fault that the ceiling leaks?

Lemme tell you about Key West's Airport :P Can we blame all the problems on American Eagle, considering they're the largest carrier here, have the largest counter, etc...??

Btw, what was the original topic about??
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:41 am

Can we blame all the problems on American Eagle

You can blame anything on Executive if you really try.  Smile
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:14 am

DeltaMD11,

There is such a thing as a legacy carrier. If you would read many of the business publications, DL, UA, AA are called, legacy carriers. I didn't make that term up.........someone else did.

For me to compare FL to DL is like comparing apples to oranges. We haven't been around for over 50 years or so, we aren't bloated with tons of upper management falling all over themselves with their MBA's, trying to make a simple decision on an issue. We are nimble and quick with very little bureaucracy and few levels of management.

No, I haven't flown Song, yet it is basically in my opinion, same old "Song", second verse........a low-cost carrier within a carrier doesn't work. So many have tried, so many have failed............

William, yes we have turned around the company compared to the embarrassment of the ValuJet days and that is still going to take some time for some customers.

BR715, we have never claimed to be a "full-service" carrier. If you want you meals and movies, go fly on another carrier and let them charge you more for it. We will be receiving XM satellite radio in our aircraft begining in June of this year so we will have something to entertain you with, over 105 channels of music, news and sports........we are even going to let you use your own headphones in the jacks.......if you don't have headphones, we'll sell you a pair for around $3.00 which is our cost. We are "NOT" going to make any money off the sales of headsets, I promise. AirTran is a cross between Southwest and a legacy carrier such as DL,AA, or UA. We offer low fares, yet we also offer assigned seating and a Business Class product. If you expectations are too high to begin with about AirTran, then we will never be able to satisfy you. If you on the other hand realize that we are a low cost carrier, yet offer some ammenities that the big boys do, you will be happy with our service. Yes, you are also correct in that our FQTV program needs some improvements. That will take time. I'm sure Aadvantage and Sky Miles have changed throughout the years to reflect what customers want/need, so will ours over time.

Ssides, AA is offering triple-mileage on only the routes that they compete with us on, on a non-stop basis. I know you are a loyal Aadvantage member but I'll make you a deal. You send me a private e-mail and I'll give you more details about my deal with you, okay? Fair enough?

As to the comments about our aircraft, we have an all new Boeing fleet with an average age of 2.6 years, I believe. That number will get even lower upon the arrival of 10 more B-717's that we have ordered, along with 50 firm orders for 737's and another 50 737's on options. We hope to double the company's size within two to three years.


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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:40 am

Jay,

Someone will come up with something negative to say about AirTran's "new" Boeing fleet.

Its not Airbus

the 717s are looking OLD & worn

my pilot landed it too hard

The FA only gave me a cup of soda, so Air Tran sucks cause I didn't get the entier can

have I left out any other possible reasons one may try to say FL sucks?
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:18 am

Let's get back to the topic.

I spoke to one of Southwest's employees in Hobby -- she told me that they never get details date until a few weeks in advance. The whole new terminal will not be completed until late this year -- she didn't know why.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Dave
 
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:22 am

"We hope to double the company's size within two to three years."

Since you're so keen on the same old song ideal, have you ever heard of ambition and overexpansion?

Just kidding!!!  Big grin I wouldn't want to see that happen as that company helps to put food on the table for thousands of Americans. Not only those that work for AirTran, but those that work for Boeing and the respective component makers. It's all relative. And again, yet another oversight, did I say you made up the term "legacy carrier"? It is somewhat of a misnomer, however.

By the way (just FYI), the makings of Delta have been around since 1926 (interestingly enough as the first agplane business in the world). That's a little more than 50 years. That aside, you seem to be stuck on this whole Delta vs. AirTran thing. Heed what I said above in the respect that this is your majors vs. AirTran. Lets see how AirTran performs when she's put through her paces and tries to play Tonka trucks with all of the other big kids instead of flying underserved little niche markets outside of the Florida.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:29 am

So, AA is offering Triple Mileage on flights from DFW on routes that FL serves?

Ah, What would we do without Frequent Flyer Programs? AA can't lower the fares anymore, so they turn to their AAdvantage. Well, if they come to GPT, and offer triple mileage, I will use it.
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:31 am

Good to see that you don't have your AirTran tunnelvision goggles like other people do Jake. Big grin
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:27 pm

SegmentKing, Some of those 717s ARE starting to look old to tell you the honest to god truth. Those Beautiful Bluish-White Lights in the Cabin are beginning to look yellow. Oh well, I like this, Watching an aircraft from birth. Maybe someday I will be able to tell my grandkids "I flew on that plane when it was brand new."
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RE: Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:46 pm

DeltaMD11,

AirTran does not just fly to underserved niche markets outside of Florida.
We compete with the big boys on a daily basis to a number of destinations.
ATL/DFW, ATL/LAX, ATL/SFO, ATL/IAD, ATL/DCA, ATL/DEN..........

So I don't need to prove that point anymore...............

Good work with the misnomer by the way
(there is no such thing as a "legacy carrier").

Your comments above sounded to me like you had accused me of making the term up, which I didn't. But there is such a thing as a "legacy carrier" or the media and others wouldn't call UA,DL, AA that term.

Song is "NOT" an expansion of DL's routes, they are basically just going to be flying all-coach aircraft to leisure markets........they are not adding any cities and if you'll remember, Song has put on hold any more expansion of its flights in the DL route system. So maybe Song isn't even working already !!  Smile

We do hope to double the company in two to three years, that isn't over expansion in my opinion. This is the reality that many communities are screaming for a carrier such as AirTran to bring low-cost flights into their communities instead of getting raped by the outrageous fares the "legacy carriers" charge.

Now if you want to accuse me of AirTran tunnel vision, go right ahead. If I worked for DL, I'd probably have DL tunnel vision!! If you don't love the company you work for, go find another job is the way I look at it. I used to work for KE in sales and I hated it. I went and found another job and now I love my job!! AirTran is trying to bring a sensible pricing structure into the markets it serves, similar to America West. We only offer 5 fare types and none of them require a Saturday night stay-over, nor do we require a that person has to purchase a round-trip ticket. We offer low, one-way fares also.