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UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:21 am

Anyone know why United recently canned 767's on it's LHR-JFK route. These are now handled by 777's.

At the same time the 777's have gone off the SFO-LHR replaced by older 747-400's.

Are more people going to SFO/JFK now than before during winter hence the increase in capacity ?

I noticed theres only 2 LHR-JFK flights daily with United now as well, though SFO still has it's two daily flights
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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:37 am

My guess is that demand is picking up!!

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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:38 am

Because the loads require it to be so. At the time the 763 was probably much cheaper to operate then a 772 and 744, hence why some were parked. Now that they have negotiated lower cost's for these planes, they can be operated to their fullest extent.
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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:58 am

When we cancelled EWR-LHR the extra capacity was needed out of Kennedy. The 777 is also more competitive out of JFK against AA which runs more 777's in terms of customer service (the 777 is always customer's favourite).

My guess for the upgauge in equipment on the double daily SFO-LHR is because we used to operate thrice daily. This summer a 744 and a 772 will make do. The summer of 2001 we offered thrice daily service with a 763 as the late departure from SFO. I can't remember this flight ever going out full, so I think the 744 and 777 this summer should do fine (not too much ASM on this route). We also need to keep ASM's in check on this route as it is consistentently one of our most profitable routes.

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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:17 pm

At the same time the 777's have gone off the SFO-LHR replaced by older 747-400's.

UA's B747 and B777 are about the same age (some B744 are a few years older, certainly not enough to make a difference). There's a good chance you'll fly on a B747 newer than a B777....

...the 777 is always customer's favourite.

Only because of the product inside the 777. There's a big, big difference between First Class on UA's three-class B763 and B777.
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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:21 pm

Actually... I thought UA had some 744s from like the first years on the 90's and even the 80s????? And there newest aircraft are very few that were delivered around 98 right?
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RE: UA Equipment Changes

Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:57 pm

As IndustrialPate mentioned, United' 744's are actually quite young. While I can't offhand find a listing of all birthdates of all the 744 United currently owns, since Boeing didn't start completing 744 certifications until January of 1989 (and progressivly on various enginees throughout 1989), even if United did end up with some of the first 744s, they'd be just a touch over a decade old. But... I know United had many 744's delivered in the later portion of the 90's (98/99 if I remember correctly).

That all said... for aircraft - especially long haul aircraft - being a decade old doesn't mean much at all. That's still young in aircraft terms. Also, keep in mind, the only the that probably makes United 744's feel "older" is the lack of PTV's in coach, something many other carriers do have, thus making them feel newer.

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