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TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:53 pm

Today, 30 years ago at around 11.41, THY - Turkish Airlines DC-10-10 TC-JAV "Ankara" lost its cargo-door and crashed at the Bosquet de Dammartin in the forest near Ermenonville, north of Paris.


(one of th few existing pics of TC-JAV:http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/largepics/029-THY-TC-JAV.jpg)

346 people lost their lives in what was then the worst aviation disaster......

I'll be silent for a moment remembering all those passengers and crew...




 
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:18 am

A very tragic day for aviation. The disaster was made much worse by the fact that there was a BEA strike that day and many pax returning from a rugby international in Paris had to fly back by different airlines. As the DC10 was only about half full, it took many pax who had intended to fly on BE.

There's a very good account of how the news broke and the investigations surrounding it in a book called "The Rise and Fall of the DC10" by John Godson. Well worth getting hold of, if you can.
 
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:20 am

This was the world's first wide-body jumbo jet crash with a FULL loss.  Sad Not many people on here seem to care.  Crying
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:11 pm

This was one of the most horrific accidents ever, but like you say 727LOVER, it is a pity not many seem to care........... Sad

Most sad thing about this crash is that it should never have happened, like the accident report says:

All these risks (about the DC-10 cargo-door) had already become evident, nineteen months earlier, at the time of the Windsor accident, but no efficacious corrective action had followed

 
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:32 am

The terrible crash of THY DC-10 TC-JAV, flight TK981 was the kind of disaster that had been feared since the start of the "Jumbo" jet era ( a non survivable crash involving a heavily-load wide-bodied transport ) and left commercial aviation reeling for more than a year.

The plane crashed in a forest near Ermenonville, a little located 25 miles (40km) north-east of Paris.
This area seems to be damned for aviation, as two other sites, not far from there became sadly famous for two other air disasters :

On June 3rd 1979, The Soviet Supersonic Jet Tu-144 CCCP-77102 crashed during the Paris Air show over the little town of Goussainville, situated north of Le Bourget Airport, 28 Km north-east of Paris, and less than 30km south west from Ermenonville, THY DC-10 crash site.

On July 25th 2000, Air France Supersonic Concorde F-BTSC crashed shortly after take-off from CDG, on hotel of Gonesse, a suburbian town located 25 KM north-east of Paris, & only 6 KM south of Goussainville



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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:59 am

For those of us old enough to remember it, it seemed scary and bizarre beyond belief.

I was in London at the time, and the British press went NUTS. Almost 200 on board were Brits returning from Paris. Most were in their early 20s.
Then when I was in law school, we studied the crash as part of an Aviation Law class. That particular DC-10 was a flawed aircraft that should have had its rear cargo door lock replaced.

Remember that back then DNA forensics were non-existent. Most families never got any remains back.
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:34 am

Anyone interested in this accident should get a hold of "The Last Nine Minutes - The Story of Flight 981" by Moira Johnston, published in 1976 by William Morrow & Company. It makes for informative, if harrowing reading.

The THY DC10 crashed into the straight pines of Ermenonville Forest at the speed of 423 knots:

"Disintegration of the fuselage began instantly. Number 1 engine, hung from the low left wing, impacted first, and began to break up immediately. As it impacted with a large tree, the stage 1 fan disk acted as a punch die, cutting a core right through the tree and driving it, like a wooden plug, into the bore of the engine where it was later found. The rear engine told a story of even more appalling violence. As the momentum that had built up at a speed of almost 500 miles an hour was suddenly slowed by the convulsive impact of the hull, the massive rear engine, poised on the tail like a stone in a slingshot, was catapulted in an arcing trajectory at two thirds the speed of sound for half a mile beyond the main impact area. The same forces ripped off the rear of the hull and sent it, with ninety-five passengers, hurtling along the same path..."

I guarantee you'll be shaking as you turn the pages.

 
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:44 am

I've read "The Last Nine Minutes" and it does provide a very chilling account of what the flight and the crash must have been like for the passengers. It even provides a look (based on psychiatrists' testimony) of what the freefall must have been like for the six passengers who were ejected from the aircraft in flight.

It also has some very grisly photos of the crash scene - which I haven't seen anywhere else - including a picture of the forest looking all the way down the impact path. The trees were literally leveled all the way down to the forest floor.
 
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:25 am

The scale of the disaster hit's you when you see the crash pictures, the forest looks as if it was hit by a nuclear blast. R.I.P
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:46 am

Truly tragic, my prayers go out to those who perished, and their survivors.

Reading the account of flight TK 981 is harrowing, as with all crashes.
Apparently the cabin floor collapsed during the explosive decompression, and as a last resort to keep the plane from going down the Captain applied full power to the 2 controllable engines (1 & 3) to bring the nose up.

It worked but it was too late, and the DC-10 hit the forest at very high speed.

R.I.P.
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RE: TC-JAV Crash At Ermenonville: 30 Years Ago

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:10 pm

I remember that disaster very well. I had my first DC-10 flight (Laker, YYZ-LGW) a little over a month later. I remember thinking to myself, when I saw a member of the flight crew walking back though the cabin before departure, "I hope he's going back to check the cargo door".

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