voodoo
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CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:41 pm

Just wondering if there has ever been any mention of raising the cabin window height level on the Bombardier CRJ short body model to that enjoyed by the 700-900? It would seem to me that there is an ample backlog of orders to be able to fit this marketing advantage in, and that it must share some fuselage `barrels' with the larger models anyway.

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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:53 pm


Hi Voodoo!

I understand your topic very well and I aplaude it!!! The CRJ200 is incredible concerning window issues! I experience that when I flew from FAT to PHX with America West Express, I'm 6 feet tall and I had to slide down the best I could to take some decent pictures, those windows are just good for young children I bet! Also like you said about the CRJ700/900 those windows look much more decent, I also flew on a America West Express CRJ700 on the oposite way and it was a difference, also the confort and flight attitude of the CRJ700 is just fantastic! I was very impressed with the CRJ700 and in it's range I don't know if there is anything better.
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:13 pm

Bombardier has confirmed that they will NOT be using the same fuselage panels and windows from the CR700/900 on the CRJ200 line in the future.

I have no idea why. I thought it would save some money in common tooling...but apparently not. Likely they did not want to recertify with this modification.

Airlines really don't care...it appears to be a passenger/enthusiast issue.

Personally, I think the windows on the CR700 turn it into a completely different experience as far as the perception of more space.
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:20 pm

I have no idea why. I thought it would save some money in common tooling...but apparently not. Likely they did not want to recertify with this modification.

Probably. Recertification is a HUGE deal. Even though the same basic shape is the same, the construction is different. Not only are the windows raised, but the cabin floor is also lowered, etc.

Also, what airline would want to pick up factory new CRJ200's that were basically different airplanes than their "classics"?

Common tooling? Hello....Challenger 604  Big grin
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:20 pm


Hi!

But we must admit that this issue is quite relevant, look for example the ERJ145, the plane infact is must more cramped than the CRJ200 but their windows have much better view!!!
Well like you said it's just a side issue!
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:22 pm

I would also be very glad if they raised the wíndows in the CRJ200.
I have the same problem as CV990. Im a tall bastard who also enjoys looking out of the window in 33.000 feet and enjoy the heavy traffic over Germany.
And I fly the CRJ2003 times pr month from BSL-CPH-BSL.
The CRJ200 is one of my favourite aircrafts, but they have a big minus. And that is the window positions.  Sad
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:30 pm

The window placement is not the only factor in making the CRJ-700 seem roomier than the CRJ-200. It actually IS roomier -- the cabin floor has been lowered by an inch. An update that would make sense is a CR7 shrink into a 50 seater, however the returns are just not there since the 50-seat market is very rapidly evaporating.
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:30 pm


Hi Qlguy24!

How do you manage to see outside? Man it's terrible to see anything above, actually what you really have is a great view under you right????
What airline do you fly to CPH from BSL?
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:41 pm

Hey CV990
Its very easy. But I often have a neckpain 2-3 days after....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Thank god I'm on Business class om every flight ´so I have 2 seats for my self. So I can se both up and down. hehe  Big thumbs up
I fly Cimber Air when I fly that route because they are the only ones flying that route directly BSL-CPH and they provide very good service.
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:53 pm


Hi Qlguy24.

Man that's what I call a big commitment with our cause, having neckpains to see in those wierd CRJ200 windows, Canadair should pay an appointment in a quiriopatic doctor due to that!
Thanks for the information about the airline, Cimber Air is interesting, those guys are still around, that's great! I remember Cimber Air when they had those VFW614's, very strange airplane!!!!!
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:56 pm

The only complaint I have about Bombardier's CRJ200s is those windows are just too damn low! And it isn't just tall people, I'm just 5 ft. 6 in. (that's 1.67 or so meters) and I still have to hunch down to look out the window! Most annoying for a dedicated window seater like me. Otherwise, I like the CRJ200.

I'm glad to hear the CRJ700 & 900 have raised the windows some.

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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:01 am


All right, this is getting global, MD80Nut!

So this is not just an issue for the big guys, this is for ALL guys!!!! Maybe Canadair see this topic and make some changes!
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:01 am

I have also been in Cockpit on that flight a couple of times. Its really a small cockpit. The second last flight I was on, I asked if I was allowed to sit in cockpit to try it. And the pilots accepted it right away. It was even more awesome the to get neckpains from the low windows in the cabin!!  Big thumbs up
And they gave me a headset so I could listen to what was going on. It was really awesome.
Right after we had passed FRA we had a Emirates 772 1000 feet right above us. You could hear the engine on that beautiful bird!!
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:01 am

So this is not just an issue for the big guys, this is for ALL guys!!!! Maybe Canadair see this topic and make some changes!

CV990. Never going to happen. As someone mentioned already, the 50-seater market is rapidly evaporating (it's saturated with CRJ100/200's and EMB's!). There's no need to spend the extra R&D...and trust me, there's a LOT more of that involved than you'd let on.

The window placement is not the only factor in making the CRJ-700 seem roomier than the CRJ-200. It actually IS roomier -- the cabin floor has been lowered by an inch.

DAL12, if you had read my post you would have seen that I already mentioned that the cabin floor was lowered  Big grin

You could hear the engine on that beautiful bird!!

Oh, is that so? Over the slipstream noise at cruise no less?  Yeah sure
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:04 am

Sorry.....

I forgot a little word called Almost... Satisfied JBird??
Of course I know its not possible to hear the engine. I work in the airline industry my self and know a little bit about those things.

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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:16 am

Furthermore, you always fly Business Class? On a CRJ? Cimber Air? Did they introduce a business cabin? They always give you an adjoining empty seat? Really? Hmmmmmm.

And I saw your post before you edited it...and you said Yes, it IS so  Big grin

Hmmmmm!!!!!!!

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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:19 am

It amuses me that so many enthusiasts labor under the assumption that the airlines and airframers actually care about this sort of thing more than, say, fuel economy...
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:21 am

Starlionblue,

And that's why they are "enthusiasts" and will always stay "enthusiasts"  Big grin
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:22 am

JBirdAV8r

Hmmm..... Lets see. Yes I fly business class when I fly them. And yes they have a business class. And the reason why i sit there is because I work for them my self..... Satisfied?  Big grin

And I know I made a little mistake. But I found out after I had written the last message that I forgot the word Almost..........
You have probably forgotten some words in here your self once a while. Shit happens  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:24 am

JBirdAV8r: I'm not saying I don't care. And the airframer probably cares as well. I just don't think it's a top issue with them, or they would have made the plane different from the get go.
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:25 am

QI guy,

Wow, gee. Isn't that quite convenient for you?  Yeah sure

Have fun in your sales agent job; I mean, I know it so heavily involves working around the aircraft  Big grin

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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:27 am

Starlionblue,

I know. I was just pointing out that the people who get so mad that Bombardier won't undertake a MAJOR redesign of their airplane to suit their needs is nothing but an enthusiast.

Wasn't picking on you, I promise.  Big grin
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:29 am

Thank you for the sarcasm.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Appreciate it. hehe
I don't think its pretty convenient at all. I wish we had bigger aircrafts. Then it would be funnier to sit in business.
 
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RE: CRJ200 Window Height Raise?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:21 am

BBD had plans to develop the "CRJ-500" 4 years ago - it would have been a shortened 700. The CRJ-200 in fact has virtually no rotable and system commonality with the -700/900. Pilots have to go through more differences training switching from a 700 to a 200 (and vice versa) than from the 700 to the 900. Furthermore, the -200 has had certain problems since introduction (eg. the flaps) and operational limitations (eg. the 700 has better field performance w/50 pax then the 200 and some airlines therefore schedule a 700 instead of a 200 on a certain route). BBD dropped the plan because the market was not there.

Futher notes on the size differences between the 700/900 and the 200: While the 700/900 have a slightly taller cabin due to the lowered floor, this resulted in floor level cabin width being narrower by a few inches on the 700/900 than on the 200. If you sit beside the window on the 700/900, you cannot sit with your outboard leg straight in front of you - you have to cant it more inboard than on the -200. The 700/900 cabin is 1" wider than the 200 as BBD engineers were able to shave 1/2" off the frames.

on a related note, BBD had a similar plan to turn the Q300 into the Q500 by using the Q400 wing, powerplant and systems. Again, BBD stopped development because there was no market.
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