ual747den
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Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:20 am

I would like to know if any airline employees sell their Non-Rev tickets to people that they don't know. I personally would not ever do it for the fact that if the person doesn't fallow the rules I would be in a lot of trouble. So have any of you ever done this or would anybody sell Non-Rev tickets?
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avt007
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:27 am

Read your contract. I`ll guarantee somewhere in there you are forbidden to sell your tickets. Otherwise you are competing with the airline! I often wished I could sell mine, since I couldn`t afford to do anything once I`d flown somewhere.
 
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:28 am

I believe by most airlines policies (I know it is at WestJet) that this would be considered a breach of pass priveledges, and normally would result in loss of the pass priveledge. Some airlines like Air Canada for example had employees abusing their passes in such a way, and now the employee must travel with the person they give a pass to. As well like you said above, if the person doesn't follow the rules, you would stand to be in a lot of trouble. Not worth it. Besides that, why would you want to sell them to strangers when you can use them for friends and family?
 
ual747den
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:33 am

I know that it would be a breach of contract and you could get in trouble for it, if not everyone would do that but common I know some people do it anyways.
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wilco
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:34 am

As already stated it is somehow against rules to sell them... but lets not kid eachother, people sell them all the time. The only hitch is that you can't control where they fly. A friend of mine, a UAL emp., sold a few companion passes once to a stranger. She wrote in ink: SFO to ORD (and blacked out that second destination line). Her paycheck came and turns out the guy went SFO to LHR! (The gate agent let him cross out ORD and write in any city he wanted).

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m404
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:26 am

When employees started clamoring for "companion" passes and received them this opened a pandoras box for some far from honest employees and brokering started immediatly. Incredibly stupid people sold them to more incredibly stupid people who them made scenes inflight thinking they were skygods and demanded royal service. It's calmed down a little but it's a real easy way to get your butt rightously fired. It's gotten harder to get these passes now that carriers have seen how badly they were abused.
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mojo89
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:39 am

I know it's been done as I have had to be involved a couple of these situations myself. Both times it was done by someone who did not realize how easy it would be to find them. Pretty stupid actually. The stock that most of this stuff is issued on can eventually be traced back to the guilty party, or to people who will give that person up. It could go for months and you may think you have gotten away with it but chances are VERY good that it will catch up with you. Just not worth it to lose your job and end up being held liable for the entire full fare that the seat would have cost a revenue passenger. Not to mention possible criminal charges.
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avt007
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:24 am

I had my own passes (U-writes) and then I got another 10 or so each year to give away. Frankly, it was such a PITA, that I never used them. Same went for a lot of the folks I worked with. You had to be their travel agent,and check the loads, and teach them how to behave, and hope they didn`t get you in trouble, and you just they`re not listening when you say "you might not get there, or back!" . Too much trouble for sure.
 
tzfalax
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:29 am

Our policy states that passes "may not be sold, bartered or traded" however it does still happen all the time. A few years ago while still working at Continental, passes were being sold on ebay and it didn't go over very well with the powers that be in Houston.
 
ual777contrail
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:19 pm

There is a difference as to what you are saying, sell is one thing, and selling at cost is another.

If you sell your ticket to a stranger at a price that is comparable to buying the ticket then that is wrong.

selling your ticket to a stranger because they cant afford a tick at full price is ok.

if a buddy pass cost $50.00 USD to fly from DEN-ORD and you sell it for $50.00 USD it is ok, if you charge $100.00 USD then you are in violation of the buddy pass rules and if caught could lose your pass privileges.


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OPNLguy
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:34 pm

One can lose much more than their pass privileges for selling passes--it's usually a termination offense at most places that I've ever heard of. Anyone who'd risk losing an airline job in today's industry/economy for a couple hundred bucks is -seriously- failing to see the big picture, but still, it happens.

I only give my buddy passes to people I know -personally- and who fully understand (and will not "test") the fact that I can be held accountable for their behavior.

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freshlove1
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:47 pm

I know at US you can give out buddy passes (we get 8 a year if we want to give them to friends, ect. on top of the employee free travel) but under no circumstances are you to sell them, if caught you are terminated immediately. This rule is stressed in the travel section of the book. I believe that it is the same at Mesa, if you get caught selling them your done. I don''t know of any airline that allows you to sell their non-rev tickets so the employee giving them out can make profit for himself.
 
gocaps16
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:56 pm

I dont think that could ever happen. If you fly non-rev, you have to show your ID as a dependent and have to be listed into the computer. My dad worked for Atlantic Coast Airlines couple years ago at Dulles and I had the privledge to non-rev without his company. I had to show a copy of my father's ACA badge, my ID to match my name on the blue pass, and several other papers to get on standby. So, if you sell it to somebody you don't know, that person will have a hard time getting on board and that person who sold it would get in big trouble. So, don't even try it.

As for buddy passes, I get a couple r/t tickets a year from my friend who works for United. She'll sign them for me and then once she gets the bill, I will give her the money. That's how it works.


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andz
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:58 pm

This is a dismissable offence at SAA.
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:00 pm

I would like to know if any airline employees sell their Non-Rev tickets to people that they don't know.

Only if they'd like to take a chance on getting fired.  Smile
 
FA4UA
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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:25 pm

I just got a random email from someone on AOL asking to buy my buddy passes last week! I told him that I don't even let all my friends and family use them!

As mentioned above, as the sponsor, we have to book their travel and I know I usually stress about the loads more then the person travelling (Ignorance is bliss)! On UA we have to book them in advance online. It's not like they can just walk up to the counter and fly anywhere they like anymore!

I'd never sell mine! I wouldn't do anything to loose my pass priveledges!

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RE: Non-Rev Tickets For Sale

Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:27 pm

Ive always wanted to fly non-rev on UA, but now Im in A&P school and dont work for any airline currently, I am unable to do so and its hard to find someone who works for UA that I can get a guest pass from.
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