as739x
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Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:38 am

The day after getting the first shots of the new United livery here at San Francisco, my co-worker went out for a few more pictures. The next date SFO Air Field Safety gave him a citation. Taking pictures is illegal, though we have never been told that. So my co-workers takes the route need to get a permit to take pictures on the field. Today he finally got to the permit office. Its not $15 for a 24 hour permit, not $50, but $1,500 for 24 HOURS! You have to be joking. The airport gives me a badge to go anywhere on this airport I want and need. I go through no security to get to the gates or my office. I passed a 10 year background check by the airport and Customs. Yet, I can not take a picture. Is SFO really becoming the joke I feel it may be. Its take me a little while to make $1,500 my friend and I'm not spending it on a days pass to take pictures. If I do they are taking me anywhere I want. What do you guys think? I understand the whole security arguement, but why the heck did you give me a airport badge if you are worried about me?
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UAL Bagsmasher
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:45 am

ORD is the same way. The DOA cops will write you a ticket faster than you can say Rent-a-Cop.
 
netdhaka
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:53 am

I would not pay that much. It's way too much! Instead, I would probably take a vacation with that kind of money or buy something I really want.
 
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:56 am

Does this mean taking pics at the airport of the airport? What about an off site photo?

I would throw the ticket on the ground in front of em and piss on it. Just like the manager did in the movie "major league"

Karl
 
cancidas
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:58 am

wait, so you have unlimited access for $1500? that makes no sense! you ahve to go through so much bs to get on the ramp and other areas of the airport, and all you needed to do is pay? damn.... someone screwed up! this is more of a threat to aviation than drunken GA pilots!
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Thrust
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:12 am

Please... as much fun as it is to photograph airliners, probably more fun for me than anything, ain't no way I'm being charged that amount of cash to do it. Money can't buy happiness, especially from the despair you would feel after wasting all that money like that! Photographing planes should be a free opportunity, for pleasure, and should be priceless...in cash, anyway.
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FLYtoEGCC
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:17 am

I'm more worried about the security aspect than anything else. $1500 is nothing to an organisation like Al-Qaeda. I know the security procedures are very tight (10-year background check, etc), and would-be terrorists would most likely be stopped, but it is only a matter of time before someone slips through the net, gets into what should be a secure area, and wreaks havoc.
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aviatortj
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:50 am

Maybe it's just me, but I am more concerned hearing that there are tickets being written for taking pictures! I smell bull shit at SFO and ORD.  Angry

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as739x
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:55 am

Its is bullshit Aviator. I saw the citation my buddy got. Luckily it was not a big fine. After talking with the Air Field Safety manager it looks like they are working something out between the two of them. The AFO Manager didn't even know it was that expesive, thats what shocked me.
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7574EVER
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:58 am

I know it's kinda off topic, but if I'm traveling it's illegal to take a picture from the gate area of the aircraft I'll be traveling on? Or, does this just apply to sitting at the end of the runway and taking pics?
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aviatortj
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:08 am

757,
I do not believe there is a written rule regarding it. In general, US airports will allow it at the gate area. I just did it through three separate airports last week.

AS739X,
How much was that ticket? Are there any things around there that say there is no photography? We are losing our rights fast. Photography harms nobody.

__TJ__
 
ual747den
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:10 am

Is the fine due to the fact that you work there and are using the facility badge for your own good and profit (if you are) I have never herd of a tourist being asked to not take pictures however I can see where they might be coming from if they think that you are using their facility to make profit on the pics. If I want to use a structure as a backdrop in pictures that I take for advertising I must pay the owner for whatever is in the background to be in the picture. But if this is just to take pics for anyone for any reason that is a bunch of smelly brown stuff...!
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aviatortj
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:23 am

UAL747DEN,
I have to disagree with you. If we went by what you said, we would be paying to the airlines, airports, caterers, etc. If I took a picture of the skyscrapers downtown for the Dept of Tourism, would I have pay Wells Fargo for their tower being in the ad? Either way, picture taking should not be something that is restricted unless it is of a security checkpoint or of something of the sort. Even still, what is someone going to with shots of that?

__TJ__
 
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:25 am

I have been asked in ATL by TSA agents to please refrain from video taping and snapping pictures in the airport. I always video tape as well as take pictures with my digital camera while I travel. While I was waiting on the underground train in ATL to come, I was snapping pictures of the signs saying, "Concourse B ---> Concourse C --->" etc, etc. All of a sudden a TSA agent literally RUNS up to me and says, "Sir, unless you're photographing or filming family, you may not use photography of any form in the airport." I said, "With all due respect Ma'am, Since when?" She said, "Since 9/11!" That cracked me up. I love how TSA agents make up rules.  Big thumbs up  Insane So I stopped taking video and pictures until I got on the train where I started to take more video and then took several pics later while I waited for my plane in Concourse A. TSA agents, gotta love 'em!  Wink/being sarcastic

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aviatortj
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:32 am

Too bad, I don't think that is in the TSA's department.
 
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:36 am

I photgraphed the hell out of the airshow here, both aircraft in the show and aircraft operating the scheds, and even the airport itself. Other than the film i didnt have to fork out a penny for it...

City folk. Go figure.
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[Edited 2004-03-04 03:37:21]
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nwadc10
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:42 am

I was told by a security officer that taking pictures inside the terminal at O'Hare was not allowed. I was taking a picture of a dinosaur statue.
 
virgin747
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:58 am

hmmm... Outhere in Winnipeg the security just smiles and waves at us, and we got all out of the bag, meaning scanners, cameras, and my laptop. And inside the airport they even let me plug into the wall........
 
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:20 pm

That doesn't make any sense...$1,500?

When did this rule take effect? It seems that many people have been taking pictures without a problem at the airport before this. Do you mean that within the airport property, like on the ramp, or anywhere around the airport?

The charge [$1500] has to be a violation of some sort-you're only taking pictures. I guess everything these days costs something.
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:28 pm

How about a happy medium of a small fee say 75 bucks a year and you get acsess to all the usual areas around the airport you would anyway. They would run the extensive background checks etc, whatever they do these days and in return you get a card, badge etc to show an officer if stopped valid for one year. 75 is reasonable amount for a hobby expenditure and would ensure most spotters would be throughoghly checked out.
 
as739x
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:30 pm

The citation was a warning, but he was told to talk to the authority's. He was given a phone number. There are no signs and no where when you get highered by an airline does the badge test say no photography. Yes, our rights are getting screwed.
The $1,500 dollars is (our guess) the cost for a permit if you were here to film a commercial, or take pictures for your respecte carrier. They have no seperate permit for pleasure photo's, that what sucks!
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2912n
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:48 pm

First of all you need to seperate a couple of issues. When you are working at an airport you are at the whims of your employer. That means they may not want you taking photos of airplanes airside where the general public does not go. The airport authority has that right over employees.

Many places have limits on commercial photography on their premises, nothing new.
Trying to say here that the airport is demanding a huge amount of money from people to shoot photos is a bit silly. Again, what goes on airside is in their control and they make money off of companies filming etc on airport property. (in addition for that fee they usually provide escorts etc...)


 
as739x
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:08 pm

2912n...Alaska Airlines could care less if I am taking photo's. Why would they care? I understand the airport authority has the right, that not my complaint. My complint is if you are not suppose to do something, inform the people. No one here knows you are not allowed to take pictures. You don't enforce rules that people don't know about. I have worked at SFO 7 1/2 years and never been told or informed the rules changed. With the escorts, where the hell they going to take me that is worth $1500. I have access to most everywhere I care to go. I can also pick up a ride to the end of the runways anytime. I just think that price is steep for the aviation buff that does it for fun.
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freshlove1
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:17 pm

The cops have nothing better to do then harass us photo takers. I am so sick of them thinking that they can do anything once they put on the badge. They can not write you a citation with out first giving you a warning about not taking photos. If its not posted then they are probably just making it up. I agree it is a bunch of B.S
 
jjbiv
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:28 pm

Here's the deal:

They aren't worried about you taking photos, they are worried about what you may capture in those photos. Remember the "scandal" a few years ago when an "investigative reporter" from WCCO in MSP captured images of NW rampers throwing mail around Christmas time? You'd think they were stealing from kiddies and grandma on the street judging by the reaction the story got.

In an industry like aviation, it's impossible to run a 100% clean operation 100% of the time. The easy "solution" is to keep outsiders out. Hence, no photography.

That said, this reminds me of the benefits of working at a smaller airport. Reality can be sad; I feel for you.

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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:56 pm

What is going on over there?? Is everything forbidden now or what because of safety reasons? That is the moste redicilous thing I have ever heard!!

When I travel I always take pictures of the Airports that I visits. Both inside and outside. And I have pics from 7 different airports in the US from earlier visits.
Well I don't care what they say.. I will keep taking pictures of the airports I visit and I wount pay a penny for it at all! Thats for sure...
 
as739x
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RE: Would You Pay $1,500 To Take Aviation Pictures?

Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:28 pm

Understandable Joe, but these were runway shots. I look right at the ramp from my office and get on my rampers about throwing bags every time I see it. I doubt that the reasoning for SFO. Any passenger is going to get a view of that ramp.
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