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Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Fri Mar 05, 2004 5:20 am

Allegiant launched its new Peoria service yesterday. The flight carried 146 pax out of 161 seats.

Reports are that bookings are over already over 75% average for March flights. Some flights are already sold out.

Also, G4 plans to change the Peoria schedule in May with PIA departures changing from 6:20 am to 9:30am. Return flights will arrive back in Peoria at 10:25pm starting in May instead of the current 5:25am.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b2boj52q046.html

http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b2b3pl0n053.html
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:57 am

This is certainly great news for Peoria. Its nice to see a Md-83 complement the Regional jets and the Air National Guard C-130's fly out of the airport.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:54 pm

Gawd.. I remember when I was parking 146-200/300s at PIA & deplaning ATP passengers!

I wonder if they took up the counter space next to Air Wisky... or the old TWE counter. I know that AWAC gave up 2 counter spaces for Access when they said they'd start flying in... (and they lost a TON of back office space!)

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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:50 pm

Congratulations PIA, Now Allegiant start flying to Laughlin with scheduled flights!!  Angry

I don't want to book Harrah's to use Allegiant. Though SCY's 738 are sweet!

Remember the rumor I started a couple of weeks ago, Gordon Bethune is retiring from CO to become CEO of Allegiant, another from worst to first! Allegiant needs some new planes too, no offense but I get close to their planes at IFP and a couple of them look bad.
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:02 pm

I saw on another thread that Allegiant Air is going to start flying LAS-BIS soon. Is Redding, CA still in the running for service?
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:12 pm

Bismarck to Vegas, nice. I wish Allegiant would make a stop in IFP on these routes. I think if they looked into it they would find alot of people want to travel to Laughlin. I mean every SCY flight is packed when it arrives. Who knows. I kind of like the 738. Allegiant's MD-87s would be good for short hops though.
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:27 pm

Redding is still in the running as is Santa Maria. SMX appears to have 2 other small prop operators interested in SMX-LAS but both are waiting to see if Allegiant announces service.
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:00 pm

They did take over the old TWE counter. I flew in there the day before the LAS service started. I must say that with new management there at PIA there has been an imrpvement with the facilities and amenities at PIA.Next thing to come is a snack bar behind security.
They are now trying to get DL to operate PIA-CVG service started. That may be a bit tricky as Moline has it and it will soon start at Champaign.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:49 pm

Allegiant came at a cost. The airport bought them. They are announcing lay offs at the airport authority soon and good people may lose their jobs.

They've been operating for nearly a week and have not departed on time.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:15 am

ZASpringboks:
Allegiant did come at a cost, but I think that it is imporant for the airport to grow, and attract new service whenever possible. If the Allegiant service remains at 75% bookings then this investment by the airport will pay off, and in the long run they may end up hiring even more people. On the topic of Peoria I was wondering if NW ever plans on starting service to Detroit. They already offer 2 daily flights to Minneapolis, but I think Detroit service with 2 daily flights on the Saab's would do well.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:20 am

On time or not, you can't beat the nonstop service to LAS, along with the Allegiant's Package prices. I still think their service is the most convenient and the least stressful. You don't have to worry about missing connections, lost baggage (I would hope...hasn't happened to me), real jet service and low fares.

How much of a delay are the Allegiant flights experiencing?

I've flown Allegiant three times so far and have another trip planned later this year. I fly out of ICT and it's the most convenient service...the schedule is perfect for me.

I just wish Allegiant would bring back the Skyshoppe.

Go Allegiant!!!!

FATFlyer...you seem to know a lot about Allegiant Air and seem to be on top of things. Do you work for G4 or are just a fan? I wish they would restart TVL service again.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:18 am

Allegiant needs to get some schedules to IFP!! Maybe a little shuttle twice a week to LAS. That would be so cool to hop a quick flight from Laughlin to Vegas, the drive is only an hour and twenty minutes but I hate it! Truckers drive me nuts. Flying their new route from Peoria to Vegas is comfortable on the MD-87? Seems a little small. I am so spoiled by Gordon's 739s!
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:12 am

Jaws707
NW used to offer service PIA-DTW but it was cut. If memory serves it was offered for a few years. Becasue PIA, fo a while, did not have service to warm weather hubs, there had been talk of PIa-MEM service. However, once DL appeared on the PIA scene that talk went the way of the nickel ice cream cone.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:32 am

NIKV69...do you remember Morris Air? They had regular service from OAK and SJC (don't quote me on this) to Laughlin. I guess it went well. But I haven't seen regular service to that destination since Morris Air and Stateswest Airlines.

The Sun Country and Allegiant Air services to Laughlin is hardly regular.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:20 pm

Wedgetail737,

Yes I remember Morris, Allegiant doesn't have scheduled flights to IFP, just charters for Harrah's. SCY has a decent schedule in and out of IFP but the times are limited and my only choices are really Denver and Seattle. I drove through Denver coming home(it was ok) I am pretty sure I am going to hop a SCY flight next winter to go see the Boeing plant. I think in time IFP will get some more flights, that town is just booming! The way things are looking I may be there full time in 3-5 years.
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:16 pm

Wedgetail737,

I don't work for G4. I just follow the company. I've tried to follow many of the small California carriers that have hit the skies since deregulation.

I just use my background in research and competitive intelligence with info from a few personal relationships to piece some things together.
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:13 pm

re: Northwest at PIA

There was a Dash 8 trip that flew MSP-PIA-BMI-CMI-DTW and the same on the return.. hellish trip for the crew. I believe that ended in December 97.

They did try PIA-BMI-DTW and then the CIRA Airport Mgr got XJ to put in 2 daily AVROS, so the Saabs were pulled out and CMI lost it's 1 daily flight to CMI via BMI & PIA (we boarded a couple of folks on that flight, btw!)

Re: PIA Airport

I think some skylights or a raised ceiling in the ticket lobby would be fantastic. Downstairs makes you feel very very cramped. Did they ever install the 2nd baggage claim or still the one?

Also, is the business center still open on the concourse?

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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:29 pm

You would hope G4 would use the planes where they are needed, they run 2 COS-LAS flights and the second is EMPTY every night.

LAS flight have had a string of delays recently due to FLOW into LAS, seems they are back to normal now.


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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:50 pm

This morning, Allegiant apparently onloaded inbound bags from LAS. What? Well, the last inbound pax to receive their bag was after 7 in the morning after the aircraft arrived at 5:35 AM. The baggage error delayed the aircraft well after 7AM. First impressions are important. I understand there is room for errors when starting new service at an airport, but I am told they are in desperate need of more resources. eg: More personnel and equipment.

I understand airline growth is important for the airport, even if it costs human resources. Forgive me for being hard on Allegiant. I truly hope they succeed.

On the topic of Peoria I was wondering if NW ever plans on starting service to Detroit. They already offer 2 daily flights to Minneapolis, but I think Detroit service with 2 daily flights on the Saab's would do well.

Northwest is getting a third flight into MSP sometime in May, I believe. Will they ever return to DTW? Contacts at NW tell me never.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:33 am

On an interesting note,

AWAC/United Express used to fly 2 daily BAe 146-200/300s to Denver, 1 making a stop in Moline, the other nonstop. We boarded an average of 55 or so people on each flight.

they dropped down to CRJs and the loads dumped to 30 or 35. After a quick search in my OAG Tables, it appears they axed that flight *eek*.

I'm wondering how Comair is doing on the ATL run....

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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:50 am

question for the pia folks in here,
who ground handles g4????

also with the new sched for pia if the inbound at night is late better on figuring a late dept the next morning, they seem to run the heck out the md80s.....
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:58 am

Yes that baggage handling sounds terrible and really that is a key service and probably the one responsible for the most complaints. If I use Allegiant in the future it will be for a short hop so I will use just a carry-on!
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:10 am

there used to be only 1 bag claim and in order to dump the bags, you pretty much had to do it cart-by-cart. A few years ago (when PIA was in its prime), it wouldn't be unusual to have us (Air Wisky), TWE, American Eagle, and Northwest all lined up to dump bags. We all used to line up our bag cart trains (sometimes 4 carts deep) but I guess all the airline managers came together and did it as a single cart-dump (which we tried to do at Air Wisky, but you just can't do it when you have a 146 at the gate.. the ATPs weren't an issue as you had 2 seperate pits that would fill up only one cart). Then again, this is when NW had 4 flights to Minneapolis and 2 to Detoilet (via BMI or CMI), TWE had hourly ATR-42 & -72 flights to St. Louis, American Eagle had the ATRs to ORD, UFS had the 4 ATP flights to ORD, and AWAC had the 2 146's.

So back in the day, you'd dump your bags from one cart, pull up the next, and so forth... then it took the bags a couple of minutes to get down to the bag claim, which was just a small circular belt.

It really reaked havoc when TWA decided to put 2 DC-9-32s on the STL-PIA run.

From the sounds of it, maybe they haven't been able to fix the bag problems  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:14 am

Getting back to the NW topic for a moment, I just learned that NW serves the Central Illinois Regional Airport in Bloomington, with flights to Detroit, so I guess that airport being only 30 min from Peoria is why NW has split the flights up as they did.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:37 am

Allegiant provides the ground crew. The manager is employed by the Greater Peoria Airport Authority at a very handsome salary, I might add. They use the local FBO's ground support equipment as Allegiant has not provided them with tugs or bag carts.

What happens when they are down an aircraft? G4 has no ticketing agreements with OAL?

[Edited 2004-03-09 20:50:35]
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:45 am

The new baggage belt is a joke. The drop is sandwiched between Air Wisconsin and American Eagle. If there is an operation in progress at either airline, forget it. Many times, American Eagle will park their equipment in front of the entrance to the bag claim. While it is a community baggage belt, some from American Eagle will suggest that it is their property. It is not uncommon to navigate around AA's GSE with two bag carts hooked up only to discover that they parked the belt loader into the baggage claim area, like a personal garage. This will cause a significant delay in being able to send the baggage dwon to the passengers. It usually invovles unhooking the bag carts, manuevering the tug out of a tight spot, hooking the carts back up to the tug, and then racing over to the older, slower baggage belt.

Regardless, the new baggage belt is engineered poorly and often jams.

[Edited 2004-03-09 20:48:34]
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:00 am

PIA Notes
The business center behind security is still open and it is quite nice.

After the UA flight PIA-Denver was totally cut, there was an uproar in Peoria about that and US said they would consider reinstating it. So far thatr has not happened.

PIA-ATL via DL is doing quite well. In fact since day one it has been doing quite well. Right before 9/11 there was talk of adding a fourth daily PIA-ATL
flight. After 9/11 the talk stopped and only in recent weeks has the talk started up again. Somewhere along the line DL added a large plane on one of its flights to increase capacity.

The dismal and depressing lighting has been corrected on the upper lever at PIA. Amazing what a simple thing like increasing the wattage of the bulbs in the light fixtures will do.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:47 am

FATflyer...you had mentioned two prop-job airlines interested in serving the SMX-LAS route. Do you know which ones?
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:22 pm

Wedgetail,

Technically the 2 small operators are proposing SMX-Las Vegas but not McCarran.

Scenic is considering adding service out of Santa Maria to North Las Vegas. There would be a shuttle bus to LAS.
http://www.scenicairlines.com

The other is Valley Air Express. They currently operate a Caravan on VCV-HND (Henderson) as an alternative to LAS. They receive a $400,000 subsidy from VCV for the service .

I would assume Valley Air Express would also operate SMX to HND. Valley Air Express is also planning to start Riverside (RAL)-HND next month and are eyeing a couple of other small airports for service to HND.
http://www.valleyairexpress.com/

Both are in the wait and see mode until Allegiant's intention at SMX is known.

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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:27 pm

Valley Air Express used to fly the OAK-STS route for a very short time with Caravans. They parked on the North Field...then a shuttle would take pax to the main terminal. I think they would have been more effective had they parked at the main terminal.
 
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RE: Allegiant Launches PIA; 75%LF Booked For March

Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:35 pm

I believe Valley Air Express also attempted some LGB flights at one time (out of VCV?, can't remember right now).

SMX supposedly encouraged Valley Air Express to consider SMX-SMF (basically recreating the old SwiftAire flights). But the company seems to want to develop an operation at HND.
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