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Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:04 am

Just wondering if anyone knows if AC plans to resume the YUL-ATL route even if it's downgraded to a regional ? I really wish they would! Big grin
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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:44 pm

The answer is eventually.

Currently AC has a severe lack of RJ equipment, and YUL-ATL the last time around didnt do so well. The main reason was that as soon as AC announced th new flights, DL was quick to add 3 RJ flights of their own.

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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:39 pm

AC could easily re-allocate CRJ's if the route had any promise or potential. Been there, done that, and loads were poor, falling way below marketing projections. DL's augmentation of flights was planned in the original marketing equation.
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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:57 pm

AC could easily re-allocate CRJ's if the route had any promise or potential.

I agree. AC & Jazz have 35 CRJ's.....if the YUL-ATL route showed promise, it could easily be restarted.

Mark, what do you mean by the following statement: currently AC has a severe lack of RJ equipment?? What do you mean by "severe lack"? Sounds like a subjective or motherhood statement.
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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:32 am

Neil:

You're right. With 35 CRJ's (mainline or connector), if there was revenue potential on the route, it would be reactivated so fast your head would spin. Couple of routes that I can think of, where the aircraft are just floating around, till the next best thing comes along.

Speaking of the CRJ, apparently AC and Jazz have come to a tentative agreement regarding flying/fleet allocation. Details are being withheld until ratification on March 19th. Have to do some digging. This should be good.
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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:15 am

Dont even get me started on poor CRJ routes.

YYZ-STL/YYZ-MCI/YYZ-BNA/YYZ-CLT are just as bad if not worse than YUL-ATL. The problem is that there are based on YYZ, which these days, seem less likely to take a cut.

YUL-ATL was to be introduced in nov 2002. At that time, DL was the sole operator on the route with 2 DL MD88's a day. 1 week after AC's announcement, DL introduced 3 daily ASA flights on the route.

On the grand scheme of things, ATL is one of YUL's largest O&D pairings, with over 100,000 pax per year. Only NYC/Washington/LAX/FLL/ORD fall before this destination ... more people travel by plane to ATL than BOS/SFO/DFW/DTW etc.

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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:34 am

Thank you to the Canadian Anet. Members for the input. I wish AC would re-instate the ATL-YUL nonstops. ATL has many former Montrealers- no doubt.  Big grin Well, connecting through YYZ isn't bad though.  Smile
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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:52 am

YYZ-STL/YYZ-MCI/YYZ-BNA/YYZ-CLT are just as bad if not worse than YUL-ATL.

Define "just as bad". If the yields are high despite lower load factors, these routes might be profitable. I've flown YYZ-BNA/STL a few times in the last few years and they are full of suits, which suggests high yield.

ATL has many former Montrealers- no doubt.

Every Cdn city of full of ex-Montrealers also! Blame the PQ.....

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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:02 am

If they are so profitable,

Why are they now Jazz CRJ's, and were suspended for the entire summer 2003.

whatever.... same deal with YYZ-GSO/CHS/GSP/JAX/ORF/PIT/DFW/IAH/MSP all of which are marginal at best.

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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:12 am

It's a question of relative or seasonal profitability Mark. Sounds like YYZ-MCI/STL etc are profitable off summer, while YUL-ATL is simply never profitable.

As Rod said, AC factored in the competitive DL ATL-YUL service, but the route performed dismally.

Well, connecting through YYZ isn't bad though.

Exactly. There are 13 daily ATL-YYZ (7 DL, 6 AC) and over 20 daily YYZ-YUL (AC, SG, soon WJ). From many US/Cdn cities, the best way to YUL is thru YYZ. YYZ-YUL is YUL's biggest route.




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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:02 am

Bah... Ill bet you that the route will be back sooner than later  Big grin

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RE: Will AC Resume YUL-ATL

Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:22 am

I sure hope so. Sure makes life easier!  Big grin
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