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Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:49 am

Airbus has at last modified the format of its Orders/Deliveries spreadsheet to include individual fleet subtypes, now making far easier to get a clear picture of the exact A340-600/600 order/delivered/operated position (we have had several discussions on the past trying to establish correct figures):

http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersndeliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls

A340-500 Ordered/Delivered/Operated

Air Canada 2/0/0
Emirates 10/4/4
ILFC 1/0/0
Qatar Airways/Amiri Flight 1/1/1
Singapore Airlines 5/3/3
Thai 3/0/0

Total: 22 ordered (4 carriers, 1 lessor, 1 'government'), 8 delivered/operated (2 carriers, 1 'government').

A340-600 Ordered/Delivered/Operated

Aerolineas Argentinas 6/0/0 (I am still trying to establish AR's intentions in light of their recent purchase of 4 ex-Air Canada B747-400s)
Air Canada 3/0/0
Cathay Pacific 0/0/3 (All leased from ILFC)
China Eastern 5/3/3
Emirates 18/0/0
Iberia 8/3/3
ILFC 11/4/0 (Operated: 3 at Cathay Pacific, 1 at South African)
Lufthansa 10/6/6
Qatar Airways/Amiri Flight 2/0/0
South African 6/6/7 (1 operated leased from ILFC)
Thai 5/0/0
Virgin 10/6/6

Total: 84 ordered (11 carriers and 1 lessor), 28 delivered/operated (6 carriers).

A340-500/600 Total: 106 ordered (12 carriers and 1 lessor), 36 delivered/operated (8 carriers, 1 'government')

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:46 pm

It's not bad for AIRBUS  Smile .... one question...Can you tell me if A340-300 is still
in production?If so...(yes according to Airbus' Web) Do you know if Airbus want to stop A343's production in favour of A345/346???
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:52 pm

@Anxelbla:

Yes the A340-300 is still in production, although new production models are now the -300Enhanced, the first of this slightly updated variant is due to be delivered to South African Airways shortly.

No planes to stop production. Remember the A340-300 and A340-500/600 serve different market segments (size/payload/range).

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operator

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:40 pm

Teahan:

I'm as confused as you are with AR. Seems their 744s will replace their 742s (which still have years of service left on them), but the A340-600 is another matter. I believe that that order survived the crisis by way of procrastination, i.e. the first A346 was initially due to arrive in April this year, but delivery has been postponed to November 2006. I'm far from 100% certain on that issue, but I'm making do with the information I have, and plus no one seems to know much about them!
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:47 pm

Yes the A340-300 is still in production, although new production models are now the -300Enhanced, the first of this slightly updated variant is due to be delivered to South African Airways shortly.

Interesting. What are the differences between the A343E and the regular 343? I've never heard of it. Thanks!
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:10 pm

This is the first time I've seen Emirates order the A346, quite surprising!
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:32 pm


Egyptair is expected to re-order 2 A340-600 (plus 2 options) by the end of the year to fill the void once the 747s have been phased out.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:39 pm

N243NW, not to go too far off topic, but the A343E is fitted with upgraded engines, as well with - I think - some smaller upgrades to the cockpit (LCDs instead of CRTs - or was this introduced earlier?)... I also think there were 2-3 other changes, but the engines were the main point.

And concerning those EK A346s - oops, I must have missed that as well, cause it was a bit of a surprise for me, too...

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:45 pm

Quoting the Airliners infopage on the A340-200/300:

"The heavier A340-300E is available in 271,000kg (597,450lb) and 275,000kg (606,275lb) max takeoff weights, their typical ranges with 295 passengers are 13,155km (7100nm) and 13,525km (7300nm) respectively. Power for these models is from 152.3kN (34,000lb) CFM56-5C4s (the most powerful CFM56s built). The first A340-300Es were delivered to Singapore Airlines in April 1996."

See here: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=27

And while we're on the subject, what about the "x" suffix, like SAS's A340-313x?

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:06 am

The Emirates A340-600 order, you all missed last year's Paris Air Show.  Big grin

@LXZXV: Thanks.

@Orus: First I've heard of Egypt Air reordering those 2 A340-600s, interesting.

@Starlionblue: That isn't the current A340-300E. Details on this mid-life update are as follows.

- Fly-by-wire rudder.
- Improved flightdeck features.
- Updated cabin features/architecture.
- Rear crew rest area option.
- Updated engines which lower maintenance costs by 10%.

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:11 am

Teahan

When I flew with the airline in December, their in-flight magazine had an article from the chairman, Capt. Sherif Galal, who said the airline will probably re-order 4 A340-600s to enhance their long-haul and high capacity markets.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:18 am

Why did EK order the a346 when they already have the 777-300??? and soon the 300ER???
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:24 am

Apparently both Airbus and Boeing made offers the airline could not refuse. Emirates cleverly played them against each other to get the best price. Though I think that Airbus was more of a winner since it sold the aircraft unlike the 777s which are all leased from ILFC
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:22 am

Though I think that Airbus was more of a winner since it sold the aircraft unlike the 777s which are all leased from ILFC

...among the major reasons for this is that EK asked Boeing/GE for a GE90 producing 120-125,000lbs thrust. Considering that the 110-115,000lbs versions had yet to be certified, that wasn't exactly an option at the time of order.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:25 am

Concordeboy

so why didn't they simply wait until the engine was available. Also if that was the case couldn't they have agreed to purchase the arcaft at a later date from ILFC?
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:31 am

Maybe the GE90 will never go to 125000 lb. You're talking quite a way over what is currently available. And maybe it was just a way of justifying their choice, by placing an "impossible" demand on Boeing/GE.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:05 am

Was the 340-300E not introduced to allow engine commonality for those operators using 340-600? Just a thought but it might make sense, if they are available with engines other than CFM. SAA have R-R on their 346s.


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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:59 am

AR didn't pick up 4 of AC's B744, 1 went to Philipines and 1 is still in MZJ but they may have got the other 2. Not sure where they are.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:18 am

The GE90-115B has produced over 127,000lb thrust so maybe it's not that far fetched.

http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/index.html
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:26 am

@Andz: Good logic though definitely not the case; they still use different engines.

@Whiteguy: They are getting 4 B747-400s according to Flight International, 10 Feb.Two are definitely ex-Air Canada, I just presumed they other 2 were also. My mistake.

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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:31 am

so why didn't they simply wait until the engine was available. Also if that was the case couldn't they have agreed to purchase the arcaft at a later date from ILFC?

By the time all 26 are delivered, such PIP might be available.


Maybe the GE90 will never go to 125000 lb.

As pointed out by Andz, the GE90 has already well exceeded 125K in sustained output.


it might make sense, if they are available with engines other than CFM

The only other engine ever available on the original A340s were the CFM56 and V2500 "Superfan"... the latter of which failed to meet its initial expectations and was withdrawn from offer on the A340.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:46 am

No other engine has proven worthy of matching the GE-90 in efficient operation over 100,000 pounds. PW and RR will have to make major modifications to their engines on the 777, or start out clean new designs. It is clear that the fact that only one engine type is available on the 773ER and the -772LR will hurt their sales with other airlines. The GE-90 must have a rival of these sales are to improve. It is clear that airlines like AA, loyal to Rolls Royce, for the 772LR are not satisfied with one engine choice.
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RE: Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:54 am

Doesnt matter what they're "satisfied" with or not.... that doesnt change the fact that Boeing is powerless to offer these aircraft with anything other than GE90 powerplants.
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