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Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:29 pm

I'm planning to fly ANC-FAI-BRW this summer on an Alaska Airlines 737-200C, and I'm wondering where would be the best place to sit. From the information I've gathered, each pallet can accomodate passengers or freight, and the aircraft can be loaded with as many or as few of each as desired. The seat map on Alaska Airlines' website (and SeatGuru.com) only shows the all-passenger configuration, so is there any way to know in advance how the aircraft will be configured on the flight that day, and if so, where to sit to have the best view? My numbers and dates are as follows:

ANC-FAI-BRW, June 4, 2004: AS 143 (Dep. 6:30, Arr. 7:23)
BRW-FAI-ANC, June 7, 2004: AS 144 (Dep. 10:01, Arr. 12:51)

By the way, is there any chance of seeing Mt. McKinley on the flights between Anchorage and Fairbanks? If so, I'll plan to sit on the left outbound and the right returning. Thanks,

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:38 pm

The ramp crews that set up the seating won't know until the day of the flight, at least we didn't when I worked there a decade ago. We would get the configs from the lead maybe two or three in the morning and then set up all the outgoing 6 am flights.


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There wasn't much difference in the seats no matter what config it was in, So i wouldn't worry about it. It is just like any other 737 combi except that the windowline seems a couple of inches higher due to the palletized seating.


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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:42 pm

I was wondering. What if you get a igloo full of fish. Wouldn't it smell up the whole plane?
 
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:46 pm

Actually, as far as animal products go, shipping raw bear hides is the nastiest. Smell, not well bagged and boxed, not frozen so it doesn't ruin the hide for the taxidermist, packed in salt sometimes.

Fish at least is packaged pretty well, since it is ment to be a foodstuff, and most of it is frozen already. Worst things fish wise where the pallets of Salmon Roe, All of this little 5 kilo tubs that are leaky and sticky and salty.

Thrown more of that then I care to think of.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:48 pm

Woo hoo! Finally something that I know about. I've flown the combis many times. It all depends on how much cargo AS decides to carry. Since it's in summer I would assume that the plane will be mostly passengers.

Right now, according to their seat maps for your dates and flights, it looks like rows 1-7 will be missing for the cargo. Most likely, they won't remove any more rows, but check back closer to your flight.

As for seeing Denali (as the locals call it), you probably won't see it because the weather is almost always cloudy around the mountain all summer long. If you see it, it will be most likely on the early morning flight because that is when it's clearest. The unfortunate thing about Alaska is that in summer when the tourists come, Denali likes to hide. In winter on the other hand, it is visible quite often, from Fairbanks at least.

As to where to sit. I would recommend sitting closer to the rear of the plane, behind the wings to see anything. The flight path is east of Denali, so sit on the left heading north, right heading south. Also remember that the plane boards from the rear so you won't be using a jetway. Wear something that you don't mind getting wet in case of rain.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:49 pm

Thanks for the info! So, if the configuration isn't decided until the day of the flight, could I still select a seat in advance? (I'm assuming here that the seat numbers in the back won't change even when seats ahead of them are replaced by cargo.) Thanks,

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:51 pm

I'll have to look but somewhere at home I have a cheet card from my Alaska Ramp Rat days that showed the seating arrangements. One of my jobs was to push those seat pallets on and off.

Correct though, the seats toward the front of the airplane go first.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:53 pm

Flying Nanook is quite right, Early morning and Evening are the best times to see it.

My recommendation is that if you can do it, head up to PT Worzonoff, where I took that photo of the AS737 in the rain, or up to the Glenn Alps parking lot and you should get a good shot of it. Preferably in the morning.

Part of the problem is that in Alaska we tend to have earlier fire seasons then the rest of the country, so haze may be a problem depending on what is burning.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:55 pm

Well for one thing, no First Class on any of these -200C's so the best place to sit is pretty much anywhere.

The ramp crews that set up the seating won't know until the day of the flight

This still holds true. The Ops at AS changes daily. You might want to call Rez at 1-800-AlaskaAir for pax counts.

I was wondering. What if you get a igloo full of fish. Wouldn't it smell up the whole plane?

No, not necessarly. AS usually ship the fish in the cargo pits and that area always smell bad. But Im not sure what is usually shipped in the Igloos though.

It is just like any other 737 combi except that the windowline seems a couple of inches higher due to the palletized seating.

Again, this is also true. You get a good view rather than having to slouch down to actually look out the window like on the other 737's.




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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:10 pm

So, if the configuration isn't decided until the day of the flight, could I still select a seat in advance?

I've always been able to select seats in advance. Just remember that if need be, AS will remove seats starting in the front so if you choose one of the first rows, you may lose your seat.

Also I just remembered about the combis, the overhead bins are smaller than in other 737's, probably smaller than those in RJ's. You won't be able to fit a roller bag up there, but AS does have gate check-in for carry-ons, much like Horizon does for their flights.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but for some reason I have the notion that each pallet of seats is 7 rows. Can you ramp people who know more of these things please enlighten me?
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:17 pm

>The unfortunate thing about Alaska is that in summer
>when the tourists come, Denali likes to hide.

True. But as the photo below shows, when the great mountain comes out, it is spectacular (8 Aug. 2003, from an AS 737-200C, FAI - ANC). We were very fortunate.

 
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:17 pm

Yes they are smaller, to fit the profile of the Igloos, Look at the interor shots I put up in reply #1

No it is only two or three rows per pallet. I will check if I find that cheat card, but I want to say that there are also a couple of weird spacer pallets that may or may not be used depending on the configuration and the exit row pallet has a pair of double seats and a pair of triples rather then four triple seats.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:19 pm

Alright, I'll go ahead and request seats in the back (about rows 18 to 20) on the left going down and on the right coming back. I've got 6 hours in Anchorage, so I'll try to remember to check out those viewing spots. (Unfortunately, those 6 hours are between midnight and 6:00 a.m. after 19 hours enroute, so I might be falling asleep since I don't usually sleep on flights.)

Thanks for all of your help; I think I'll really enjoy this trip! Hopefully when I return I'll have some photos to submit to airliners.net that will promptly be rejected.  Big grin

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:20 pm

Lets see here, what to do in Anchorage between midnight and 6....

Kootz's still should be open for a couple more hours  Laugh out loud

Just get a cab to take you to the end of Spenard Road.



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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:45 pm

No it is only two or three rows per pallet.

Its 3 rows per pallet a total of 18 seats.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:46 pm

No it is only two or three rows per pallet.

Its 3 rows per pallet a total of 18 seats.


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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:59 pm

I dont blame ya, L-188. Remember, AS has their own pallet shop in the sheet metal shop and there is no company that builds pallets for them. So AS can configure the pallets to their desire, Ive seen how its done and its pretty cool. Saves time and money.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:02 pm

As mentioned earlier, right now your aircraft is set to be in 2 pallet configuration. This means 72 coach seats, starting at row 8 going back to row 20 on the right side, 19 on the left side. Of course subject to change frequently without notice  Smile

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:02 pm

Enjoy the ride, I flew it CDV-ANC a couple months ago for the first time. I thought it was a great experience. I think the funny thing was the tiny baggage sizers they had at the CDV airport since the 732 has VERY small overhead bins.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:03 pm

Actually I didn't know that they built those internally. I knew that they did they own upholstery maintaince and recovering.

Hey question, do you know what did they do with the Anchorage seat shop when they tore down C Concourse? It used to be right at the end there.

Did they move in into the old freight facility at the Anchorage headquarters, when they built the new Cargo center and hanger or what?

The other thing about the seat shop is that it seemed that everybody that worked they had been with the airline since the dawn of time.



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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:18 pm

I was stationed at SEA with the heavy check crew in the new hangar so I dont know much about ANC ops. They built a new hangar at ANC and Ive never seen it yet.

As for the pallet shop, they've been building their own a pallets for years and years. The -200C pallets for both, seats and flat rollers, lasts about 3-5 years due to heavy use and corrosion so they are always building new ones. They can finish 2 new pallets a month.

Their interiors shop is in SEA between the old and new hangars above the sheet metal shop. They do all the seat recovery and the like.

AS also planned on expansion of the new hangar. I dont remember what specifically was going to be done but I've posted this info on a different topic. They wanted to take over the land that Signature flight support currently is at to accomidate 2-3 more a/c in the 'expanded' hangar with 4 more planes outside. This project has been put on hold due to the 9/11 stuff.

Hope this helps.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:21 pm

Yeah, AS took over the old Markair hanger here. Prior to that they worked out of Troy-Air hanger down the road.

I understand that they had to lengthen the Markair hanger to fully take and MD-80. Apparently the Feds where being pissy about having the tail stick out to work on it. Anyway that work took them a while. That is also when they built the new cargo facility right in front of it.

I just figured that AS bought kits from Lucas or one of the other aircraft equipment manufacturers.

I can see those pallets taking a beating, spilled soda pop is a hell of a corrosive.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:33 pm

I thought the AS hangar in ANC was recently brand new built 2000 or 2001. Also you wouldnt BELIEVE the condition of a used pallet would look like after excessive use. They looked awful. Then again, as you know....kudos to the sheet metal shop!!

As for the kits, you mean the hush kits for the -200C's? I heard that the engine shop in the old hangar dealt with those before I ever came to AS.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:40 pm

No, I was refering to the seats and pallets. I figured yall got the components off different vendors. And then just assembled them.

And yes, I could believe it. Makes you wonder why every non-pallet aircraft doesn't have the floor rotted out of it. Seen a couple of small Beech and Piper freighters get the floors replaced. The salt in salmon roe tends to do that.


Nope, it was the old Markair one, but about the only part they saved was the roof trusses, everything else was pretty much rebuilt. You are right about the timeframe. That whole summer you could look right through it because the knocked down both end doors and walls. Like I said, they had to lenghten it to get an MD-80 completely inside it.


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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:46 pm

The vendors that supplied the parts for building the pallet came from Kaiser Steel. The ball and sockets, I dont remember who supplied that. AS just assembled the pallets.

Now question about the hangar, why would the F.A.A. complain about the tails of the M80 sticking out of the hangar when NW had their DC-10 tails sticking out of their old hangar in SEA before they tore it down? I find that weird.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:48 pm

I think it is weird too, but I don't think any of your companions up here are complaining about having to work inside Big grin

I don't think an MD-80 could get in the Troy Air hanger before, NAC can't get a DC-6 or a 727 into their barn here either.


Of course I think the FAA's positions on new construction combi aircraft, and field approvals are weird too.


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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:56 pm

I think its all politics when it comes to MX. Some of it is crap but there are reasons for it.

I like the way AS does MX in SEA. The things they did when I was there made sense, but not all of it did.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:01 pm

Hehehe.

Well one of these days I might just have to go out and actually get my A&P.

I enjoyed the classes that I did take.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:06 pm

Im doing my A&P studies now here in PHX. I did finish some classes in SEA but only completed like two of them.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:11 pm

When I transfer the University of Alaska Anchorage, I stated at their A&P program, but their setup takes way to long to complete unless you can spend 21 credits a semester on it.

But I took the classes I did complete and rolled them into the Aviation Tech minor I have coupled to my BBA in Global Logistics. So they aren't wasted.

I do want to make a point and take a welding class from my Aircraft Sheetmetal instructor.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:14 pm

I sucked at welding, I hated it. But I have to learn to like it to succeed at it. Im just going for my basic A&P. I havn't decided if I wanted to get my AA degree in Aviation yet. I just want to work on planes, not in upper management or MX planning.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:18 pm

Yeah, I am starting to hate my desk job as it is.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:42 am

Interesting posts, L-188 and AirframAS. The 732 combi sounds fascinating ... maybe I'll take a trip up there myself one day.

I've been on a 744 combi (Air China) but it was configured with seats in the front and cargo at the back.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:53 pm

Yeah, but those combi flights are actually pretty tame.

My favorite airplane trip was the time I got to ride in the FAA commisary bird, a C-123. I was maybe 7 or 8 at the time.

Parachute seats on the sides and all the cargo....including a car loading in the middle.

One guy decided the para seats where too uncomfortable, so after takeoff he got in the car!
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:37 pm

Just be warned, the -200C's on AS are pretty dirty inside AND outside.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:52 pm

The interiors where ok when I worked there in 94.

They where cleaned in Anchorage every night.

The exteriors, well, that is one problem with the 737-200 and white fuselages. The back end always gets the soot off the engines building up on it.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:57 pm

Getting the soot off the fuselage during a check is a major pain in the rear!! Thats one task I hated doing at AS. I was mainly responsible for getting all that crap off. Sometimes it came off easy, sometimes it would never come off. The only time you would get a clean and nice interior is if the A/C itself comes out of a check. Other than that, you would normally get muddy airstairs in the aft and on the carpets. Every check, the carpets get replaced and the sheetmetal shop does a huge inspection on the galley floor in the aft and in all of the seat tracks. Its a pain in the butt type A/C, dirty......so dirty!
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:03 pm

Hey it could be worse.

I used to have to clean the soot off the bottom of the wings of a Volpar.

Had to do it by hand with a squirt bottle filled with this stuff that ZAP makes, don't remember the name of it, but you did want to wear nitrate gloves when using it.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:10 pm

Had to do it by hand with a squirt bottle filled with this stuff that ZAP makes, don't remember the name of it, but you did want to wear nitrate gloves when using it.

ZAP is the manufacterer. That stuff works wonders most of the time. AS bought me that stuff when I found it in some catalog and asked if we can try the stuff and it worked.

Yes!! The -200C's worked harder than any other A/C in AS fleet. They stayed in Alaska most of the time with exception of flying to/from SEA on a normal cargo flight and its very very rare for a -200C flying south to places like SJC or OAK. Sometimes if a plane is stuck in PVR or SJD and needs an engine replacement, the -200C will fly the new engine and 3 A&Ps to mexico and do the replacement MX. Then the -200C will fly the A&P's back with the broken engine.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:17 pm

Yeah, that ZAP stuff was pink. I think it was called A-1 or something.

They company I worked for decided to stop ordering it because some wennie when ahead and decided to actually read the MSDS and the instructions for use on the product.

Guys, rule of life here.

If the stuff actually works, it isn't going to be particularly healthy for you.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:39 pm

ZAP works wonders yep...maybe you should kill the moron who took the time to look up the MSDS. LOL!! Just be sure you wear safety glasses when handling this stuff, getting this in your eyes can hurt pretty bad...dont ask cuz I had this stuff in my eye accidentally. But it burned for only a few hours.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:29 pm

Well, ZAP makes several different products.

Safety Glasses aren't really a concern for my, I wear glasses normally.
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:55 pm

Try sniffing TU-77 paint remover....now thats WORSE than ZAP. Ughhh!!
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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:08 pm

I try and stay out of the hanger when anything with paint is happening.

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RE: Seating On Alaska 737-200C's

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:12 pm

LOL!!!! Thats what respirators are for. Expecially going into fuel cells which I WONT go into in this lifetime.
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