752is
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I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:08 pm

I think all this stuff is going to far..........and somethings not going to far.
Theres so much I can say but I won't. From all employees I just want to hear some horror stories. I hope some can give me a feedback because I am in the midst of writing the TSA a letter. Good or bad I would like to hear.

Thanks for your help

 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:13 pm

You can't expect people to respond and agree/disagree with you unless you tell us what happened.

I've gone through a few hassles, but nothing serious or inconvenient. In 99% of my experiences, the TSA officers have been courteous and efficient. I know there are problems, but overall I think they're doing a good job. And bottom line: no hijackings since 9/11.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:21 pm

Why are you sick of TSA? Why is any one sick of TSA? You must be one of the millions of idiotic Americans that have forgotten about 9/11. I agree with Ssides, has there been an hijackings? um no, inconveniences? Yes. What price are you willing to pay for safety in the sky? Come on people get off their backs. They are human and bound to make mistakes. If you are the butt end of one, stop crying take it like a human being and get on with your life.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:22 pm

752is,
do not want to turn this into a anti tsa thread but....if any one has read my posts on this they will know how i feel......i did recieve a follow up letter from the tsa in den believe or not......they are saying that they were justified in inspecting the girls,.......give me a break.......only thing they were justified in doing was being polite...other than that they were the biggest pervs i/the parents have met..........
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:52 pm

The argument that PilotNtrng makes is flawed.

1)Just because there have been no hijacking of planes from US Airports since the TSA was started does not mean that they prevented any. There were no hijackings of planes from US airports for a long time before the TSA (other than 9/11)

2) The wepons used to hijack the 9/11 planes were not banned, therefore the security failure on 9/11 was not with the old screeners, but with the law.

 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:29 pm

I have only been to the US 4 times since 9/11 and I have found the TSA to be friendly and polite, although I can well imagine some of the horror stories people have.

I am however, a little sceptical as to the effectiveness of the TSA. I went to Toulouse, France for the day this week, and the security there was excellent. The staff were friendly and the security measures were very effective- my watch even set the machine off (it has never done that before). When the man used his wand thing we found that the silver foil on my packet of polo mints made it beep. That is very effective and perhaps the TSA could learn from the polite and effective French authorities.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:06 am

I question their screen procedures.

They constantly make old ladies take off their shoes or confiscate their nail files, make a little five year old boy take off his ball cap.

At the same time I seen a Muslim gentleman go through a metal detector wearing the long white robe and turban (the kind like Osama wears), set it off, but didn't have to take his shoes off and was just quickly wanded. The TSA screener was probably worried he would get a lawsuit against him by some Arabic Anti Defamation league.

Everyone else has to remove their hats, but I never see a Muslim man have to remove his turban and a muslim woman have to remove her vail. I understand the Islamic law states for women not to show their hair in public to men, but aren't there backrooms and female screeners that can handle this?
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:13 am

i was flying from PHX to DEN to LGA in august of 2002 and had my flight bag as a carryon item (that bag was worth more than my car at the time and i wasn't going to let it out of my sight). i had a manual for a cessna caravan, my logbook, pilot's certificate, medical certificate, charts, approach plates and other such documents, garmin GPS 196, Scanner, etc…. Anyway, the screeners decided i was a threat to the flight and had me detained for 8 hours pending verification of my identification. once they decided to compare my passport, driver's license, pilot certificate, medical certificate, EMT certificate and ID from the EMS provider I was working for (badge included) they let me go. it seems that they are going a little too far!


not to mention they dropped my laptop in MRY, twice. time to hire people who have a brain ascroft!
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:46 am

As far as security is concerned, I would have to say TSA is doing a wonderful job. I have never run into any problems with them other than once in a while they might throw the wrong airline bag on our belt (in which case we just show them and they take it back.. no problem!). I guess I am a little biased since my dad works for TSA (started right after 9-11) and MANY of my friends do as well. But at other airports I have been to I have never experienced any problems. I really believe they are doing a lot for security. It's amazing just how many people I check in who feel more secure knowing that TSA is at the airport.

It's a two sided argument. You either approve or disapprove of them.

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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:55 am

From a crewmember's perspective, (and one whose been going through airport security every day he's gone to work since he was 19) I couldn't be happier with the TSA.

Compared to the old system, this force is consistent, professional, and courteous. The old days you never knew what to expect at the checkpoints. Most were minimum wage workers, spoke poorly if at all, were dismissive and disinterested.

My hat goes off to these professionals...


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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:04 am

Then stop traveling.

Cheap shot rants belong in the non-aviation forum.

I deal with them more often than you do. Most stories about them either date back to their first couple of months or are wild exaggeration.

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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:28 am

Why are you sick of TSA? Why is any one sick of TSA? You must be one of the millions of idiotic Americans that have forgotten about 9/11.

Nope...haven't forgotten...just remembered that it wasn't an 80 year old woman or a paraplegic in a wheelchair that hijacked the 9/11 flights. The TSA is looking for bombs (and they are missing some of those and some contraband items). If you compare it to El Al....they look for TERRORISTS. They seem to have a pretty good handle on how to screen for them. But that might involve "profiling"...and while we want to be safe...we just can't risk hurting someone's feelings. Here...we've gotten into the "remove the shoe" mania...you just can't tell what a person has stuffed into their Nikes. And woe be the one who decides that they really would rather not take their shoes off and walk barefoot thru the metal detectors...you are a prime terror suspect...and you WILL remove your shoes on the other side and undergo the "terrorist strip search dance" to show the other travellers that they are safe from the potentiaL threat you might have been. I swear...some of them could be on one of those "healing revivals" on religious TV..."Come OUT of that wheelchair and stand with your arms outstreched...praise JESUS!!!!" And I never felt threatened by an old lady in a wheelchair.

 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:37 am

I like the TSA screeners. I think they do a great job. Most are very polite, efficient, and speak English just fine (about 95% of them). I have only come across two rude TSA screeners, one at MCO back in Jun, and the other at KOA just last week. There are bad eggs at every company, and if you see the TSA as a company, than the people who work there are quite nice. After 100+ flights, and only 2 nasty screeners, that is not bad.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:41 am

The times I've encountered unhappy travelers at TSA checkpoints, they have always, always appeared to be infrequent flyers who do not know what to expect. Like all human beings; airline, ground transport, airport vendors and yes, TSA personnel's attitudes will ususally be a direct reflection of yours.

If you have not learned to be polite and respectful to all of the people working to transport you from point to point, you will continue to have poor experiences. You are just one of thousands, not one in a thousand.

Travel with the attitude that you're going to help "make the day" of everyone you come into contact with, and believe me, they'll make yours!
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:46 am

I flew six times last summer.

I was pulled aside, and searched every time.

I DO NOT look like I am a terrorist.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:04 am

No offense ozzie, but if you have nothing to hide, don't worry unless they delay you for an unreasonable amount of time. Now granted this is relative to the person involved. I, for one, don't mind being screened. As long as it does not delay me for hours without any recourse, and they are not trying to make an example out of me. If they are screening you once or twice like everyone else, then I would suggest putting Greyhound's reversations on speed-dial and adding their website to your favorites. I don't know of one person that is happy that 9/11 happened in this country. I just know that reality says we have to make a better effort than before that horrific date when it comes to security at the airport. Could there be more done? Of course. If you were to look at the countries in Europe that have had more screening done prior to the US mandating it, you would see that most countries have been doing it since Lockerbie Scotland. These countries have had years to refine their process and now have something very efficiently operating. If you're ultimately miserable about the TSA, write your congressmen and ask why the hell they ignored all of the reports about the "lack of security" at airports prior to the terrorist attacks. The quick rampup hurts the public and I find it amazing that they have adjusted to the proceedures as well as they have. While I agree that the TSA is not perfect, I believe that they have improved and will only get better with more scrutiny.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:53 am


No problems with the screeners, in fact the only problems that I have ever observed have been with the passengers complaining about anything & everything. The TSA is here because of 9/11, sorry, learn to live with it.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:15 am

I hate it when I have the dreaded "SSSS." The TSAs I have encountered are human beings, too. But they also have a job to do. I understand what I have to do, and they understand that they have a job to do. I have faced many courteous and efficient TSAs as well, and a couple of wannabe FBI agents. They aren't all the same, and I cannot speak for all of them. But from my experience, they give passengers, like me, a psychological sense of safety. Oh just get over it. I hate the IRS, but I ain't b****ing about it.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:24 am

The system seems inefficient, and the screeners themselves often don't inspire much confidence--last Tuesday at JFK, for instance, I watched one positioned in front of the x-ray machine barely looking into it as bags passed through, because he was carrying on conversation about his girlfriend with his coworker. But to say, as one poster has, "I DO NOT look like I am a terrorist" is ridiculous.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:26 am

VC745D brings up an interesting point. Some people bitch about TSA agents being on a power trip, others complain that they're lazy. Personally, I'd rather them take their job too seriously than not seriously enough.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:52 am

I fly infrequently, but have done so a number of times since 9/11 and while sometimes the TSA can seem inconsistant in who they select for heavy searches and how they do their work, it is a lot better than pre-9/11.
I flew 2 weeks before 9/11 on CO EWR-BOS-EWR and both ways I had a box cutter and desk sissors in my carry on for use at a job assingnment outside of Boston. They did look twice at my bag leaving EWR but cared more about my cell phone wasn't a bomb, assumed I wasn't 'a terrorist' - no problem. On the return from BOS, bearly a glance at the same box cutter and desk sissors in my carry on. These were the same airports where the Bastards who did 9/11 left from.
Both ways LGA-DTW, Jan 30 & Feb 1, I got the 'go to the side' very through search, probably of purchase of my tickets less than 24 hours before. They were professional and through and I acted very respectably and quietly, and with minimal time lost and I was at the airport both times to leave enough time to get to the gates. I would also note that for many (20) years working in law in NYC area, I have had to go through intensive security checks at many courthouses & government buildings.
Part of the complaints here is because of charges of profiling but don't forget that profiling can miss potential non-profile terrorists (i.e. Richard Reid a/k/a the shoe bomber). Those who 'obiously' are not terrorists think they are being subject to reverse discrimination. Perhaps some of the complaints are that there doesn't seem to be enought TSA screeners during busy times, meaning long lines at the security checks. Another popular complaint is that the procedures are not done 1 person at a time so many pax fear that a valuable laptop computer or bag ends up being taken wrongly or stolen by another person. The TSA is still an expirment in development, so in the meantime, just get to the airport with enought time, and be patient.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:01 am

I deal with TSA on a daily basis and have found them to be very polite and proffessional. I believe that alot of these so called "power trips" that they are on are just misinterpreted concerns for the safety of YOU and others traveling with you. I must also add that there are a couple of very attractive and nice female TSA agents in PHX which makes the whole security thing a pleasure, not a pain  Smile.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:35 am

For anyone who says TSA is doing their job and making the skies safer, is a statement that is far from truthful. How can you say they are doing their job correctly when everyday they miss "SSSS" pax at the checkpoint and then we need to delay flights to make sure they are screened by emptying all their bags and clothes. How can you say they are doing their job when we were doing gate screening ourselves at the gate, finding scissors, knives, syringes and other needles. I was flying through my old hometown airport today, and the TSA agent checking ID's and tickets didn't know what to do when I showed up with my badge. I recognize the guy, and he has beenthere since the airport received TSA years ago. Why don't these personnel read and have knowledge of the policies that they come up with. Its pretty bad when they don't know their own procedures and we have to correct them.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:41 am

The argument that "I don't look like a terrorist" is folly, just as deriding the TSA for screening kids and the elderly. No one should get carte blanche to speed through security because they don't "look like a threat." That's when Mr. bin Laden & Co. start hatching plans to sneak through whatever they want to sneak through in kids' backpacks, old folks' canes, etc etc etc. For screening to be at its most effective, EVERYONE must get the same basic level of screening no matter how old you are or what you look like.

HlywdCatft: Ball caps have to come off because there is usually some metal in them (look for that little metal button right on the top.) Turbans on the other hand are simply a piece of cloth.

LTBEWR: The 9/11 flights left from EWR and BOS, but at least some of the terrorists began the day at PWM and connected. PWM was the screening site.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:45 am

In all fairness to the TSA,they are not perfect,but are much better than the Argenbrights,etc who used to do it. In my travels since they were initiated,I've only had one run-in with them that was negative - I was leaving SEA,and my suitcase was scanned by those Million-dollar scanners,and something set it off. So,my name was called,and I had to stand on a taped line on the floor while an agent opened it up.
After rummaging around , he first produced my airband scanner,which I never travel without (doesn't everyone?). What's this ? It's a scanner, Why do you have one ? I listen to planes,it's a hobby. Oh....
Next he finds my can of glass cleaner witch is a 'hazardous material' according to him! Like deodorant isn't?? So I have to fill out an FAA form because I was carrying freakin' glass cleaner! Anyways,it was confiscated, hope he liked it for use at home!!!!!!

I've heard horror stories about the TSA in PHL,but in my travels,the agents in MIA,SEA (except the one mentioned above) & LAS are very courteous and friendly.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:49 am

So what is your response to the TSA agents who came from Argenbright or Globe. There are many who just switched uniforms, does that make them better?
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:55 am

I see complaints about TSA all the time. I think its the attitude passengers take with them going into security.

Heres the deal, if you hate SSSSS, buy round trip tickets.

It doesn't matter if a old lady gets screened or have to take out shoes. A 95 year old lady can be a terrorists. Lets stop the sterotype on certain indivisuals. EVERYBODY needs to be screened. (but that doesn't always happen.)

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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:02 am

Mizzou65201, you are correct as to the terrorists being screened at PWM and not BOS, but still the security failed. The bastard-terrorists probably found that security was weaker at PWM vs. BOS in their perveted research. Now with the TSA, minor airports are more likely to have security standards that are more consistant with major airports.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:07 am

HEY hey hey!!! I had my own experience, you had your own experience!!! The TSAs that I have encountered are and were courteous and efficient! So please don't add to your hit list the TSAs I have encountered. TSAs are different, and so is the human race. I agree that EVERYBODY should be screened, but it's because of *itchy people that want to be on the plane that departs in one minute, the gov't chose to do random screening. Also, why should I buy a RT ticket when I plan to stay in one place for the rest of my life? If you feel the system is wrong, go talk to your Senator or some politician who gives a damn.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:20 am

None of the agents from Globe or Argenbright became TSA screeners in GRR. Those people were the laziest bunch of retards that I wouldn't trust to guard my car. I agree whole heartedly with Kalakaua. On my recent non-rev trip I was a selectee on CO. I talked with the guy, joked around with him and his colleagues and it wasn't a bad experience. They are just doing a job. Don't stereotype and become Prejudice against an entire organization because you've had a run in with 2 of their employees. Most of the people that complain haven't even traveled since they've taken over the screening process. Passengers take the attitude that the TSA is the enemy when they go through the checkpoint and just look for all the things they are doing wrong...Don't bring your prejudice view into this forum. I for one say way to go TSA!! Keep up the good work!
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:25 am

Heres the deal, if you hate SSSSS, buy round trip tickets
Not necessarily true. I flew SVG-AMS-MSP-AMS-SVG over Easter of 2002. On my return I was the lucky winner of, Selectee. This was a RT ticket, bought about 6 weeks in advance with a credit card. I also had a KLM FF-card. All of these factors should have worked to my advantage, but didn't...so what? I didn't care. My checked bags got an extra tag on them, so they knew they had to be screened (this was before all bags got screened), and also at the gate, they had to manually search my carry on.

To those that say that "80 year old little old ladies, paraplegics or little kids can't be terrorists", you are wrong. Look at Israel, I remember one suicide bomber, where the mother had explosives strapped onto her infant kid. What if this was to happen here, and infants were exempt from screening? I think everybody should have to go through the exact same security.

And before you say I probably don't deal with the TSA, I do so 3-4 times a week. But I have made it a routine, my wallet, keys and cell phone go in my coat pockets prior to reaching the check point. I have my airline ID in my hand when I get there. My shoes are untied, with the laces just stuck inside. When I get to the belt, I whip out my laptop, put it on a tray, put my bag and coat on another. Then I send my shoes, the bag, then the laptop. That way, on the other side, I'll get my shoes on, then my coat, and I already have the bag open and ready when the laptop comes along. Doesn't bother me a bit (except for the one time I forgot a 5/8" wrench in my pocket after working on my car, that they confiscated).
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:35 am

KaiG ... I do exactly as you .... by preventing the metal detector going off, I never get searched. Whenever I set the detector off, I always get searched. So the searches appear to be directly related to setting off the detectors.

People would have a lot more pleasant experience if they treated the screeners with the same respect they expect from them.

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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:47 am

Delta-flyer, makes things a lot smoother. Today they had to do the explosive sweep test on my laptop though, because my coat fell off the first tray and right on top of my laptop. And since they want the laptop through completely by itself, they had to test it. No big deal. No reason to make a fuss over a 30 second deal.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:04 pm

Brian, there are a couple of Globe screeners that are now TSA, I only know that b/c they worked the A concourse while Argenbright worked the B where you guys are.
 
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:06 pm

my complaint is not about the people...its the process. The fact that they are inconsistent...thier procedures (on and off the plane) are nonsense and used to give US a sense of security (like a YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK). For example, searching the 6 year old that walks through with the cowboy belt and sets the alarm off as well as the rule(?) that we cannot stand in line for the lav.
However, they have made great strides, and there are some things that are better (bag screening, for example.)

Do I like the TSA...it depends on which part...but overall, no (not until we are allowed past security or i get a job for the airlines and get to pass security at my leasure!)
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:26 pm

Flairport,

I agree with you about the bathroom rule. However as far as the six year old getting stopped because he set off an alarm. Do you remember about a year or so ago when a young boy was flying home with his mom and dad, and security found a gun in his teddy bear. I think that was just an accident. However do you think terrorist would be above using a six year old boy, by fooling him, as a decoy? Like I said I think the bathroom rule is not good. As far as alarms go, you can't have one set of rules for children, and older people, and a different set of rules for everyone else. Otherwise, in my opinion, that would make it easy for terrorist to figure out how to get a weapon past security.
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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:56 pm

Flairport ... I don't think the procedures are inconsistent ... it's just the contrary that resulted in the 6-year old being searched.

But you have to consider that the TSA had to distill thousands of possible terrorist attack scenarios into a manageable set of procedures that can be taught to average people in a short amount of time. Until we have screeners with PhD's in psychology, I can't see how it could be any different. (Well, the PhD's may be even worse!)

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RE: I'm Sick Of The TSA

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:23 pm

I got stopped for a special search every time I flew in 2002, and about half the times in 2003. Not at the security checkpoint each time, but at the gate. I knew that most of those were because I upgrade to first at the last minute and I always travel carry-on. The only time the special search made me mad was when I was traveling on WN and was at the counter early enough to get boarding #1 and they pulled me aside as they began boarding. Why couldn't they do a special search before over 50 people were on the plane?? Lucky for me, my brother had #2 and didn't get stopped.

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