mrwayne
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Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:01 pm

Are we now seeing the last of the real tickets for flights and being replaced with just a number?
I used to look forward to getting my tickets through the post a couple of weeks before my flight and looking at them and having so much excitement i was so happy.
But i do like the E ticket it is very handy.
Any thoughts.?
 
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:26 pm

I used to like paper tickets for that same reason UNTILL I grew up and began having itineraries that looked like the one bellow. Paper tickets really slow things down at airports and make online check in unavailable. What used to be impossible is now doable. For example, if I have a 1 hr connection at ATL to DL from AA (no bags) I would not be able to make it unless I check in at home. This way I can run from one flight to the next and not have to leave security and wait in a line to check in....

Sat AEP-IGR
Sun IGR-AEP
Mon AEP-MDQ-AEP EZE-MIA
Tues MIA-JFK
Wed LGA-MCO
Thurs MCO-ATL-DHN
Fri DHN-ATL-MCO
Sat MCO-LGA


 
JFernandez
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:33 pm

I would still like to see the airlines computers all being able to talk to each other, and computers in every airport before I want paper tickets gone. If you're in a jam or something, an e-ticket still causes some problems in some places.
 
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:55 pm

Jfernandez said:
I would still like to see the airlines computers all being able to talk to each other, and computers in every airport before I want paper tickets gone. If you're in a jam or something, an e-ticket still causes some problems in some places.


They do talk to each other through the Amadeus booking system.

E-tickets will definitely take over, but it will take more than a decade. It's easy to sit in Western Europe or North America and say this and that. But if you go to rural Thailand, they will issue you an old paper ticket with the old red lettering.


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flyboy36y
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:51 am

I got the red lettering on MOST of my domestic Argentina Flights. I also got the red lettering (flimsy ticket) on Aer Lingus in 2003 DUB-BRU-DUB

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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:21 am

In December, I bought tix on LH to MUC for May of this year and was sent the genuine beige and green cardstock passenger receipt and boarding pass ensemble. I was rather surprised, keeping in mind that LH is one of the world's most renouned carriers.

I was also sent the email confirmation with my confirmation number, itinerary, etc that's usually sent as en e-ticket.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:27 am

I agree with what some of you said above. I liked having the paper in my hand and seeing the itinerary listed. On the other hand I don't have to worry about, "Who has the tickets to my wife". Much more convenient on trips. Same goes for direct deposit with my paycheck. Used to like to have the money in hand, but now I don't have to go to the airport to pick up my check. A real inconvenience if it was your off day.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:13 am

As long as their are grandmothers who go to travel agents and refuse to use kiosks or the internet there will be paper tickets!!!
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kanebear
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:38 am

For simple itineraries I prefer E-tickets but for more complex routings I VASTLY prefer paper tickets. Reservations agents and CSRs are nothing if not error prone. When I'm halfway around the world the last thing I want is an argument because a change to my ticket was done improperly resulting in my being unable to travel. With a paper ticket, there's no ambiguity whatsoever. It's on the stock, it says OK, it's valid for travel, done. Also, some itineraries do not lend themselves to E-tickets at all. Imagine trying to do an RTW with all segments as OPEN on an e-ticket. It'd be a MESS!

I had proof positive of why I love paper recently. I wanted to do a reroute from GRU-MIA-LHR-FRA-DFW-GRU to GRU-MIA-LHR-MIA-DFW-GRU recently. It's a full fare J ticket and having purchased the latter routing I knew the fare difference should've been $400. AA happily changed the segments and then told me the add-collect would be $10,500!!!!! I had them queue the booking to the rates desk to find out what the hell happened and it turns out that I'm on a restricted J ticket that is only sold inside Brazil. Oops! Had I been on an E-ticket, I'd have had major problems since my original routing was cancelled. Thankfully due to the BA segment AA couldn't issue an Eticket and had sent paper. I simply told the agent to change the dates and reinstate the original routing and I was done.

Finally, there'll always be places that have unreliable or no link to the outside world. E-tickets can't work in that environment. Just as some places still use the manual credit card imprint machines and have no credit card terminals, paper tickets will always have a place.
 
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:50 am

Paper tkts will still be around for a while specially since not all airlines can provide E-tickets yet, but it wont be long before E-tickets account for the majority of tkts issued. One of the greatest advantages of E-tickets is that you can't loose them or have them stolen. If you think E-tickets can be a problem you should try to get a full Y or J class tks reissued when the flight you have is with an airline and the issuing airline is another, and has no office in that country.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:29 am

Do E-tickets actually save paper? It seems like E-tickets sometimes generate more paperwork than regular tickets do!
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:03 am

eTickets are great! They're a huge time saver. You also can't lose an eTicket, and therefore eliminate the "lost ticket" fee associated with paper tickets, in the event you lose them.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:02 am

Another thing in favor or e-tickets, for domestic US flights, is if you book on own on line or thorugh your employers agency especially at the last minute, you don't need a ticket.
 
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:06 am

As long as their are grandmothers who go to travel agents and refuse to use kiosks or the internet there will be paper tickets!!!

Not true! BA is shortly mandating the use of e-tickets (can't remember when) this year - soon there will be no more paper tickets on BA.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:43 am

Hi Scbriml sorry to disagree with you but I doubt very much the information you have posted. Where did you hear this?. I can think of one situation were you need to issue paper tkts, for example. BA code shares flights with IB In those flights they can not issue ET. Not to mention a large percentage of paps who are willing to pay the extra money for a paper tkt if this option is removed I think they risk loosing many clients. ET are the go but it will still be a very long time before paper dies out.
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RE: Is This The End Of The Paper Ticket

Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:08 am

Scbriml is correct, British Airways is indeed mandating the use of eTickets. I have seen the business plan. From 1 April 2004, paper tickets will no longer be an option on eTicketable routes/itineraries. The plan is for interlineable eTickets among oneworld partners by 2005 and by the end of 2005 paper tickets are to be eliminated altogether. Technology is being enhanced that will mean there is no case ever that a BA issued ticket cannot be an eTicket. The rationale is simple, internal studies showed that it costs BA £12 to issue a paper ticket, whereas an eTicket record costs 50p. The end result is obvious. Of course I cannot substantiate these facts as they are for internal circulation only. Time will tell.

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