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Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:55 pm

Is American Connection called that because of contracts renegotiated post-TWA purchase? I did see one or two American EAGLE RJ's at Lambert this week, but obviously, most of them were Connection.

 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:05 pm

Yes...American Connection is what is left over of TWE. It will probably go away...eventually. We'll see.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:05 pm

American Eagle Airlines, Inc., is a wholly owned regional subsidiary of American Airlines (AMR Corp). It is the largest regional airline in the world. American Connection is contract carriers that were the former Trans World Express operators. The American Eagle EMB-135s that you saw were operating from New York/LaGuardia, the one route that Eagle has had into St. Louis. However, they will end St. Louis service when that route goes to MD-80s in the near future.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:04 am

LGA-STL is partly MD80 as it stands. I was originally booked on an early AM flight out of LGA (6:50am) and it was going to be an MD80.

I believe they are adding more frequencies from LGA to STL this summer, with more MD80's.

 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:08 am

American Eagle Airlines, Inc., is a wholly owned regional subsidiary of American Airlines (AMR Corp).

To be more accurate, American Airlines does not own any other airlines. AMR Corp. is the holding company that owns both American Airlines and American Eagle.

American Connection is contract carriers that were the former Trans World Express operators.

AMR has used the "American Connection" brand name on previous occasions. Essentially the only difference between "Eagle" and "Connection" is that AMR actually owns the "Eagle" airline while it does not own the "Connection" airline.
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:17 am

Not all American Connection carriers came in by way of TWE. Corporate Airlines came into the fold after Midway shutdown the first time post-9/11. Corporate was running flights out of BNA to ATL and several other JI stations. When JI bailed out of most of those cities when they restarted, Corporate ended up doing the same flights they did for JI for American under the American Connection banner.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:18 am

There is also a loophole in the AA pilots contract that allowed a certain percentage of contract flying outside of the scope clause that exists between AA and AE aircraft. AA has tried to maximize this part at the expense of the AE carrier.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:03 am

It's too bad the American Connection flying can't go to Eagle.... keep AMR employees having jobs and give some room for those who want to flow back from AA upon furlough.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:21 am

As said above...American Eagle fights are aircraft operated by AMR Corp/American Airlines and their employees. American Connection flight are contracted out to other regional Carriers like Chautauqua, Trans States, Corporate Express...etc. The best way to tell which is which quickly.......the 'Eagle' logo on the tail of AE flights are blue and red, and on AC flights it's solid blue. One of the first 'Connection' carriers was Business Express back in 1997. AMR Corp takes the 2 carriers very seriously as when BEX applied the 'Connection' logo to the aircraft, it was printed in the wrong color blue and had a red and blue Eagle. We where order to quickly change this as we where NOT Eagle..!! Later, as the full merger got closer, BEX began to fly as FULL American Eagle, but still flew in our own colors. ( I think this was a first and only) At that time, we scrapped off all the 'Connection' logos and applied 'American Eagle' logos and the red and blue 'Eagle'.

As far as American Eagle being the largest regional carrier in the world...we may want to check out the numbers....... ExpressJet is quickly approaching if not already passed. They finished with 230 aircraft on Feb 29 2004.

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[Edited 2004-03-06 22:28:19]
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:40 am

As far as American Eagle being the largest regional carrier in the world...we may want to check out the numbers....... ExpressJet is quickly approaching if not already passed. They finished with 230 aircraft on Feb 29 2004.

I wouldn't have posted it if it were not true. American Eagle qualifies as a major airline.... other U.S. regionals do not. Source is the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Sure, Continental Express may be approaching with fleet numbers, but what about revenue or passengers carried?
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:52 am

How does American Eagle qualify as a Major Carrier.......??? On what standard are you using.....? Stand alone, does AE have more then 1 Billion dollars in revenue...??? That is how the DOT grades a National and Major carriers. I didn't think AMR Corp issued separate earnings reports for AA and AE.
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:12 am

American Eagle generates more than $1 billion in revenue a year, according to the DOT. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics, a part of the Department of Transportation, lists American Eagle as a major airline... so it would be by revenue. Eagle has $1.3 billion a year in expenses alone.

I'm quite aware of how the DOT designates national/major carriers, which is why I'm confident that if the DOT says Eagle is a major carrier, and no other regional makes the list, that it's pretty evident how the others stack up against Eagle.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:21 am

I'm quite aware of how the DOT designates national/major carriers, which is why I'm confident that if the DOT says Eagle is a major carrier, and no other regional makes the list.......

You may want to look again.....I saw 2 Regional carriers on the DOT list.........

American Eagle and ExpressJet
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:41 am

You may want to look again.....I saw 2 Regional carriers on the DOT list.........

A very recent addition then. The list I was using, I accessed in December of 2003. I cannot find anything whatsoever after a half hour of searching the BTS and DOT sites that shows ExpressJet as a major airline. Since you know it all, you may post a link if you are so kind.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:50 am

EMBQA:

Yes please do post the link, I have yet to see Express Jet listed as a major.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:55 am

Searching the 2002 Annual Reports, which is the most recent financial data put out by either company, AMR Corp lists American Eagle has having in excess of $1.3 billion in revenue for 2002. ExpressJet Holdings reports just barely over $1.0 billion in revenue.
American Eagle also has another billion available seat miles over ExpressJet.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:13 am

AAJAX-

It came right off the DOT web site you mentioned above. It's broken into 3 Groups.......Group 3, Revenue greater then 1 Billion classifies an airline as Major Carrier.

http://www.bts.gov/publications/accounting_and_reporting_directive/number_270.html

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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:16 am

It came right off the DOT web site you mentioned above.

Interesting, however they are barely a major carrier (only by a couple hundred million at the most). Still leaves American Eagle as the largest regional carrier in the United States, and in the world. Apparently they are only a major effective 1 January 2004, having not achieved this prior.
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:29 am

Dude...your now splitting hairs. I never said AE was NOT the largest, just ExpressJet is closing in on them.

Now, since you have an inside track at Eagle.,...are they still talking about spinning Eagle off as an Independent company..like Continental did with Express last year...?
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:56 am

Now, since you have an inside track at Eagle

Do I really?
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:17 am

Well.... I guess numbers don't lie and I was right after all. This information was taken directly from both airlines Febuary traffic results. If you remove Executive Airlines results, the differance are even greater.

Jan-Feb 2004
American Eagle (including Executive):
RPM: 838,861
ASM: 1,372,632
Load Factor: 61.1%

ExpressJet:
RPM: 956,664
ASM: 1,537,621
Load Factor: 62.2%

YTD 2003 (UNAUDITED)
American Eagle (including Executive):
RPM: 7,346,852
ASM: 4,823,895
Load Factor: 63.9%

ExpressJet:
RPM: 8,425,000
ASM: 5,769,000
Load Factor: 68%

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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:34 am

Well.... I guess numbers don't lie and I was right after all. This information was taken directly from both airlines Febuary traffic results. If you remove Executive Airlines results, the differance was even greater.

Congratulations. I'm glad the thread has gone this far off topic.

To the original question:
It's unfortunate that Eagle has not received the American Connection flying out of St. Louis (at least the regional jet routes). Curious if the AA Connection carriers are on a fee-per-departure pay basis.

A side note, the telephone dial-in interface refers to Executive flights as "American Connection, Operated by Executive Airlines."
 
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:48 am

AAJAX, Agreed....., back to the topic of the Thread...

As you said above, it's a shame a lot of the flying has gone over to Connection. If we where factor in those numbers as Eagle to the results above, those numbers would lean sharply towards Eagle.....Though.......most all of the Trans States- American Connecton EMB-145 aircraft did come from American Eagle, and I think Eagle has just sub-leased them over to TSA.
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:01 pm

To add to above:

Trans States also has a few new EMB-145's in their fleet as well as some "lightly" used ones from Swiss. I use the term "lightly" because the 145's from Eagle are really beat up. You can tell them apart almost immediately because the interiors are in much better shape on the ex-Swiss aircraft and I believe the ex-Swiss a/c also still have curtains installed near the galley. Also, If you really look hard, some of the drawers in the galley still have "Swiss International Airlines" on them.

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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:04 pm

Yes, ten of them did come from Eagle... and having ridden on many of them as Waterski, they haven't been taken care of since the handover... ripped seats, generally filthy, crooked tail paint, and you can still read "Eagle" on the fuselage under the white paint. Some new deliveries flew for TW Express (such as N801, 802, etc) but I'm unsure if they ended up in AA Connection colors.... seems just the ex-Eagle ships (from N815 on, I believe) are flying out of STL now.

I believe I also read that the ex-Swiss aircraft don't have thrust reversers.

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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:13 pm

AAJAXFlyer, you are correct. The ex-Swiss a/c don't have thrust reversers. I was told that is the norm for many of the aircraft used in Europe. Can anybody confirm that for me?

Also the newest deliveries (N825HK and up) are actually in pretty good shape. Although, I last saw the interiors late last year. Hopefully they are still in good shape  Smile
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RE: Why American Connection And Eagle?

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:31 pm

Checko-

I would think so. TSA has only had these aircraft for about 7 months and when they got them, they still had pretty low hours. One cool thing that was on the 'Swiss International' aircraft was a passenger briefing system that would play the pax briefing in something like 15 different languages. It would also play boarding music from all over the world. The system has since been deactivated when transfered to TSA.
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