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DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:54 am

Beginning in June, the 767-400's that DL has been using for domestic only flying will begin their first international service from Atlanta to Lima, Peru.

DL will not be reconfiguring the F cabin to BusinessElite.
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:55 am

Pretty cool - all I see now is airlines rapidly expanding their networks with newer aircraft! Did DL even serve South America before?

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:57 am

A330Fan1-Yes. For Lima they currently fly the ATL-LIM run with a 763. AA flies to LIM with 757s from MIA and DFW. Co flies there with 757s from IAH and EWR.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:58 am

Europe should be next for DL 764s. Afetr all most European routes are serviced primarily by the 767 right?
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:37 am

They did open a new bidding category, for 764 International. I wish they'd make the whole fleet have the BizE cabins though...start takin em out east. It certainly has the range. Using it on short MCO-ATL runs was squandering it's capability, even though that was it's predecessor's role.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:45 am

Does anybody else think that the short range 7E7 has ATL to any Florida destination written all over it? If the 767 line hasn't closed yet, how likely would they want more since there was a rumor that they were trying to unload the 777s on order?
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:59 am

AA flies to LIM with 757s from MIA and DFW.

Not for long, though. Both MIA-LIM flights become an A300 in May.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:10 am


A330Fan1 says:
Did DL even serve South America before?

DL has been serving CCS,BOG & LIM for some years now. LIM with 763 (upgraded to 764), BOG with 752 and CCS with 738.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:17 am

While the plane is designed to fly long distances, especially given the difference in MTOW and MLW. It is also designed for medium range high density routes. Delta puts ~3600 seats a day ATL-MCO. That is on 14 flights. All of the flights depart between 06:30 and 23:30. Given the way they are staggered, my guess is that the schedule is to minimize ground time from transiting passengers. If it was O&D they would be very regular for most of the day. I would also think that it doesn't benefit Delta to increase the frequency, for this route density matters. They have two 763s departing within 5 min of each other. Basically Delta is putting the largest a/c it has on the route. By cycling the planes between the shorter Southeast routes, and the longer ATL-LAX/SFO, LAX/SFO-HNL, and ATL/CVG-HNL routes they can keep there cycle growth relatively low.

I too would like to see DL put 764s on international routes. The 763s seat 190/195, 48C-147Y, and the 772s seat 277, 52C-225Y. They need a number of planes halfway in between. Continental uses their 764s in a 256 seat config, 20C-236Y(Micronesia), or 235 seats, 35C-200Y. Given DLs different way of laying out their a/c they could do a 50C - 190Y or so. this is 240 just about half way between. However, if they are going to use 764s seriously for international service they will have to take delivery of more a/c and install PVEs. At least they already have 180 ETOPs, so there a no no-go areas over the North Atlantic.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:48 am

Pretty cool! It would begun with the B764 to LIM flight and would be very good to move with the higher load factors and extra more cargo hold, too.
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:06 am

"I too would like to see DL put 764s on international routes. The 763s seat 190/195, 48C-147Y, and the 772s seat 277, 52C-225Y"

Actually international configuration on 777's are 50J-221Y on all flights except Ireland due to crew rest requirements.
Also all 763ER's are being reconfigured with 36J-162Y (The ex Gulf Air with the additional door are being configured to 32J-168Y).



There is no need to reconfigure the aircraft. The 764 is for high density markets. DL's wants the additional Y capacity not the F/C capacity. First class already goes out empty almost every flight with 24 seats, but coached can be 60 to 70 overbooked. First class is only for a few medallion upgrades and non revs as very few purchase C seats. Also Cargo is the name of the game in Latin America and the 764 not only adds coach capacity but also additional cargo capacity.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:15 am

Did DL even serve South America before?

Since the late 1990's, Delta has served from ATL:

San Jose de Costa Rica
Liberia de Costa Rica
San Salvador
Guatemala City
Panama City
Bogota
Caracas
Lima
Santiago de Chile
Sao Paulo
Buenos Aires (suspended currently, to restart 12-2004)
Rio de Janeiro (currently suspended)

I did not include services to Mexico or the Caribbean nations.

 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:29 am

I believe that the decision to upgrade to a 767-400 on this route has to do more with cargo than passengers. Delta moves huge amounts of cargo from their Latin American destinations specially Santiago, Chile and Lima, Peru to ATL. This is part of the reason why the Lima flight has been upgraded from a 757 to a 763 and now to a 764 in two years time.

When I worked at the International concourse in ATL, I would see several 20,000 lb pallets of asparagus and other perishables going from Peru to European cities every day during the winter. They even have alerts for non-rev travelers being stranded due to high cargo loads. I don't know if the passenger demand is there to fill up 287 daily seats but I am sure that they can make up the revenue with cargo.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:41 am

Recongifiguring the 400's for BizElite would actually not be a particularly big deal for Delta. If you remove the First class cabin and the front coach cabin, you have a significant space between the first two doors for the cabin. There is actually a galley already in place behind the front coach cabin. The planes are also already wired for PTV's in front. I have to guess that Delta did this on purpose.
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:28 am

That is so cool!!! Good news for spotters and aircraft fans in Perú. I really want to fly a 764. You get the good, old 767 2-3-2 configuration plus the 777 interior design... the best of both worlds (plus the 777 avionics).

I don't know why DL does not use a widebody to MEX from ATL or JFK. Sure the distance is pretty short, but the volume of passengers per day is pretty large.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:29 am

Will DL reconfig the fleet to ad PTVs to all acft?
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:48 am

>>Will DL reconfig the fleet to ad PTVs to all acft?<<

No. The 737s, 757s and 767s that currently serve South American routes have no such luxury (except in the BizElite cabin of the internationally-configured 763ERs that also fly to Europe/India, flying to EZE, SCL, etc.).

If I had to guess, I would say that these aircraft, as with all other aircraft on these routes, will be marketed as, "Business Class" and coach services on the shorter Latin American routes.

None of this is revolutionary... merely replacing one domestically-configured aircraft on a route with another.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:15 pm

I like this idea...but how many 764s do they have...I know about half of FLLs ATL ops are 764 and the same for MCO, TPA, and PBI, I believe...JAX gets 1, I think....HNL gets 1 from ATL and a few that continue from ATL via SFO, LAX, and SLC...OGG gets 1 from LAX. SLC, SFO, LAX, and I think I am missing one more west coast destination gets a lot...and LGA and BOS, in the NE....

I'd like to see 764s go south, they are great for liesure destinations....and if it means taking a few off FLL...I'd take it (we need some virety anyway)


Also...no one has pointed out that this makes 1 more free 763ER!
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:27 pm

DL also also flies the 764 to LAS daily from ATL.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:30 pm

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:33 pm

YEEEEHHHHAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!!!! DL 764ERs finally being used on routes they were created for! GO DELTA! EXCELLENT DECISION-MAKING ON YOUR PART! I PRAISE YOU! Big thumbs up
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:42 pm

That is great! I am also wondering if the 7E7 short range a/c will be the aircraft of choice for Delta from ATL-Florida.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:36 pm

If that frees up any other 767's then a GLA-ATL flight would be nice.
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:56 pm

Delta needs to put the 767-400 on Trans Atlantic markets as well. With so few 777's, Delta (and I am a fan of Delta) does not have a sufficiently good product on long-distance flights in its main cabin. The food is bad, the 767-300's have no PTV's or other ameninites, similar to what CO has on its 767-200/400 and 777 fleets, or even the 757 for that matter, with its flip down screens, or NWA with their A330's, or US with theirs, or even AA with its new 777 style interior 767's and its 777's, and the same goes for UA.


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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:07 am

I'd like to see DL utilize the 764 on the Trans-Atlantic market, especially since they're deferring the 777 orders at least for the next couple of years, trying to make due with eight. The 764 is a great plane! Big grin
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:49 am


Seems that things down in LIM are getting better.


I hope they do get the upgrade that the airport urgently needs and deserves !


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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:41 am

With DL recently cancelling future 777 orders, they said that they'd be replaced by other aircraft. Maybe they will order more 764ERs to replace them.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:31 am

Or maybe, SESGDL, Delta may decide to order the 7E7, an even better solution to this. Why has Delta had such a hard time with the 777 anyway?
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:34 am

Why has Delta had such a hard time with the 777 anyway?

Arguments with DALPA severely stunt their original order. Also, those aircraft (as well as the 764ERs) were for the longest time limited to 8hr or less flight times due to "inadequate crew rest".

Then came September 11, which stunted Delta's impending second order. After that, three aircraft were to be leased to SAA (who later turned them down)

Now, the remaining 5 orders are allegedly to be cancelled.

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:54 am

Doesn't it cost Delta a lot to operate a small fleet of 777's? I love how they tout the plane in all their corporate advertising as if it was their signature aircraft, even though their only other major widebody is the 767, of which they are the largest operator of in the world? (767-200/300/400).



 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:59 am

Doesn't it cost Delta a lot to operate a small fleet of 777's?

DL is big at insourcing... it wouldnt affect them all that badly



of which they are the largest operator of in the world?

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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:03 am

It certainly came as a shock to me when Delta announced they were cutting their future 777 orders. Before this news, and even within the past year, some said the 777 is the future of Delta. Obviously not anymore. What is the future of Delta? I predict the 7E7, but anything is possible. Oh well, enough of that.
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:26 am

What's also interesting to note is that the ATL-HNL route will revert to an intercontinental 763ER  Big thumbs up

Hmm, wonder why though? So many potential reasons...
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:54 am

What's also interesting to note is that the ATL-HNL route will revert to an intercontinental 763ER  

Hmm, wonder why though? So many potential reasons...


It was that way last summer, my guess is that the demand is lower in the summer, early fall than it is in the winter/spring.
 
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RE: DL 764's Go International...

Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:05 am

my guess is that the demand is lower in the summer

The yield dynamics are quite different between the two models however, even on the same route.
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