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Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:58 am

Just got word that Beirut International will get the A380 in the summer of 2007 or 8. That is if MEA have not opened North American Routes (this is coming from my source in Air France). It will re-place the ageing B747 that has been coming to Beirut in the summer. My source say its still to late to tell but has been brought up and thing look good. If all stays the same till 2007 then we could see some A380's at Beirut. As much as I want to see A380's at BEY I want thing to change.
Does any one have anymore info?
What gates are they going to use?

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:05 am

Is this with a decrease in the number of CDG-BEY flights to 2 or remaining at 3?
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:24 am

I have no clue.
But I'm sure in the winter it will remain 3
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:47 am

The Paris - Beirut market is very big and according to one member on this forum who works for Air France, Beirut is Air France's 2nd highest yielding market.

Air France operates service to Beirut jointly with MEA. They code-share with each other.

Below is the year-round schedule:

Beirut (BEY) - Paris (CDG)


Paris (CDG) - Beirut (BEY)


The Air France 747 that they operate to Beirut every year isn't old. They fly the 747-400. In the past, they flew the 747-200, but not anymore.

However, this summer, they will not be flying the 747 because MEA is increasing the Paris service for the summer.

The Friday & Sunday MEA A321 flight will instead be operated on an A330 for the summer, so on those days, you will have 2 MEA A330s and the Air France 777.

If Air France were to fly the A380, they would use the same gates that they use when they fly the 747-400. They'll use Gates 2 and 3 which are the two gates in BEY that are capable of handling the A380:



I've seen the Air France 747 use Gate 1 which is a heavy gate, although it is only a single jetway, not dual jetway while Gates 2 and 3 are dual jetways:


The daily Air France 777-200ER always uses Gate 23 which is a widebody gate used heavily by MEA, Emirates, Malaysia Airlines, and Air France. But I do not think it can support the A380. I believe only Gates 1, 2, and 3 can handle it.


Below you see the Air France 777 parked in Gate 23:

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Here is a good map of the terminal and it shows the gates and what type of aircraft can use each gate:


Beirut's terminal is only 3-years old and has been specifically designed in mind of the A380.

It's been said that Emirates will fly A380s to Beirut during the summer. Currently in the summer, they fly a bunch of 777-300s.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:53 am

Slightly off topic but I heard today that the a380 will not be allowed into US airspace...is this true at all?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:01 pm

" I heard today that the a380 will not be allowed into US airspace"

Now that would be sad! But here is boeing's chance(right time) for making an all new 747 if it's true!  Big grin
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:49 pm

I highly doubt that.............

If it's true, then you will have a lot of pissed off airlines.....

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:05 pm

Perhaps the A380 would be banned from US airspace as with 600 or so pax, there is bound to be a queue for the toilets at some point.
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:55 pm

hahaha...well maybe US doesnt want to risk a fatal crash or attack on a filled up A 380.

But I highly doubt that it will be banned because EU can easily respond back by banning all B 747s in EU airspace as well as B 773s!!!

So this is highly highly unlikely to happen!!!

 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:00 pm

Behramjee,

But I highly doubt that it will be banned because EU can easily respond back by banning all B 747s in EU airspace as well as B 773s!!!

So what will BA, AF, LH, AZ and several others do with their fleet? Park them offshore?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:07 pm

The A380 is said to replace the B772 on AF566 CDG-BEY, on certain days and during the high season.
BEY is a lucrative, profitable, and historical destination for AF, economically, politically, and "sentimentally"... AF has always sent its newest planes to BEY, from the Lockheed Constellation in the late 40s to the Comet, Caravelle, B707, etc... so why not the A380 especially if the traffic can justify it ? Moreover, BEY is with CAI the shortest "long-haul" destination for AF, and this line is often used for training pilots, in-flights control checks etc...
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:38 pm

An A380 at BEY would be a "delicious" sight! I wouldn't count on it before I see the first A380 prototype airborne

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:38 am

If you want to see some really nice photos at BEY then check out these out
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:42 am

FLYSSC

Does that mean there is a chance Egypt will get AF A380s too. With Air France operating double daily services to Cairo with widebodies, I think it might be a possibilty, right?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:02 am

Horus,

Air France is going to 12x weekly to Cairo. 6 of them will continue to Saudi Arabia. They are making the Saudi Arabia flights stop in Cairo so the crew sleep in Egypt instead of Saudi Arabia during these unstable times.

When things get back to normal hopefully in Saudi Arabia, they will return to being non-stop rather than via Cairo.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:21 am

BA

They are 12x weekly but will go up to 13x weekly during the winter, and then 14x weekly next year (according to Al-Ahram). Once the Saudia Arabia flights become direct, frequency to Cairo will remain the same.
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:12 pm

The flights to/from JED and RUH will be operated nonstop again as soon as possible.

As CAI was only served 1/Daily until next summer, Air France will add frequencies to face the increasing traffic; rather than using bigger planes (like the A380) as frequencies are more interesting for an airline working with a logic of a HUB.

BEY is served already by 3 daily flights. A 4h daily flight should be added sooner or later, leaving CDG in the late afternoon, so the flights would cover all parts of the day. As I mentioned above, chances to see punctually the A380 in BEY are real, but more for "promoting" the aircraft, training pilots, etc... than a real capacity need.

If, one day, 4 or 5 daily CDG-BEY are not enough, then you might see the A380 regularly on this route.

AF chose to buy the A380 for this reason. On the busiest routes, AF considers that you can't meet the increasing demand by just simply adding frequencies : where is the interest to have 3 or 4 flights leaving to NRT within 2 hours ?

On the CDG-JFK route, AF will operate 5 daily flights next summer + 1 daily CDG-EWR. There should be 6 daily in 2005... The A380 will be perfect for AF on this kind of route (NRT, JFK, YUL etc...)
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:49 pm

It would be exciting to have the 380 go to BEY, although I am surprised that news like this come out already 4 years ahead. Don't airlines typically say that they will intro new planes on "routes like xxx to xxx", i.e. being more on the examples side than on concrete cities.

Still, glad if it happened. Just a question here, is BEY already 380-ready in terms of taxiways etc?
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:25 pm

maybe AF 380's to TLV !!!

I'm joking.
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:48 pm

Mozart,
I think so
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:18 pm

By the way: what exactly is "380-ready"?
long runway, wide terminal, ...?
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:12 am

Mozart,

Yes, BEY is fully equipped to handle the A380 in every way.

Stefandotde,

Yes, long and strong runways, wide enough and strong enough taxiways, wide enough gates to be able to support the massive width of the A380, etc.

Beirut has 3 runways, 1 of which was built in 1998 and 1 of which was built in 2001, both designed to handle the A380.

Beirut International Airport completed a massive airport redevelopment program which lasted from 1994 to 2001. It was one of the largest airport redevelopment programs of the 90's and it lasted 7 long years. The plan is that Beirut will become a regional hub connecting the East and West, competing with Dubai.

It consisted the rehabilitation of several buildings such as the radar building and the construction of several new buildings such as a new fire rescue building and most importantly, a brand new 23-gate terminal replacing the old terminal built in the 50's.

It also consisted of the construction of two brand new concrete runways, runway 03/21 and runway 17/35.

The old one is the one directly parallel to it which is old and gray looking. It was converted to a taxiway when the new 03/21 opened. The new 03/21 opened in 1998.

The new 03/21 is 12,467ft. long (big increase), made of concrete, is HIRL/CL (High Intensity Runway Lighting and Centerline Lighting), and has at least CAT I ILS (I believe it is being upgraded to CAT II or CAT III), it opened in 1998.

When the new 03/21 was completed, the old 03/21 was converted to a taxiway. It was only 10,433ft. long, made of asphault, was only HIRL (High Intensity Runway Lighting), and didn't have an ILS at all, not even LOC.

17/35 is 11,138ft. long, the one that goes out into sea which is CAT III. It opened in 2001.

Below is the new 17/35:

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The old asphault 10,663ft. long 18/36 was kept open, although it isn't used much at all anymore. All the big stuff lands on 17/35 and occasionally 03/21.

The new 03/21 is the runway on the right, while 17/35 is the sea runway on the left, and the old 18/36 is the one that is pretty much completely perpendicular in the middle:


Like I said, a brand new terminal was constructed. Phase I which consisted of half of the terminal and Gates 1-12 was completed in 1998 (the eastern concourse), while Phase 2 which consisted of the western half of the terminal and Gates 13-23 was completed in 2000. Total number of gates is 23, 21 of which have jetways, 2 of which are dual jetways. Gates 4 and 22 are bus boarding gates which are not used at the moment because there is no need.


The photo on the left is what the area looked like in the early 90's (photo was taken in 73, but nothing changed) while on the right is what it looked like in 2000 taken from roughly the same spot on the tarmac.

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Here is a nice overview. The runways do not intersect even though runway 18/36 just touches 03/21. The reason for this is so aircraft that land on runway 03 can exit off of the tip of runway 36 when it is not in use (and it is rarely used these days). Both runway 17/35 (the primary landing runway) and runway 03/21 (the primary take-off runway) are equipped to handle the A380s.


The new taxiways and taxiway connecters built for the new runway were specifically built wide enough and strong enough to handle the A380. They were also built out of a high grade concrete making them very strong and long lasting. Many of the old taxiways were refurbished and reinforced as well.

This massive rehabilitation project of the airport which took almost 10 years to complete was done specifically so that Beirut could have a world-class facility able to handle the A380 and hopefully one day in the future compete with Dubai.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:06 am

Mozart,

The A380 is not due to be operational "4 years ahead"...

The first deliveries are scheduled for spring 2006 and AF should operate its first A380 at the autumn 2006, that is to say in 2 years and a half...
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:26 am

FlySSC,

What is AF's loadfactor to BEY like?

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:21 am

Check these out
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:38 am

BA

During 2003 Air France had an average loadfactor of 89% on it flights to the Arab Middle East. Not sure about each destination though. But 89% is pretty high considering the War in Iraq and the general downturn in the aviation market. Hopefully 2004 will see either a higher loadfactor or greater frequency.
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:21 am

BA,

Here are some figures concerning AF at BEY :

65% of AF's PAX on CDG-BEY-CDG are in Transit on another AF flight at CDG :
25% to Europe, 25% to North and South America, 15% to Africa and others destinations.

3 flights CDG-BEY-CDG are operated : 1/AF (B777) + 2/M.E.A (A321 + A332)
All the flights are codeshare AF/ME.
On the AF B772, AF "owns" 12 First / 28 Business / 101 Economy.
M.E.A owns 28J / 101 Y

On the M.E.A planes, AF "owns" :
- A321 : 15J / 59Y
- A332 : 21J / 104Y

So, AF offers DAILY on the 3 flights CDG-BEY-CDG : 12 First / 64 J / 265 Y

The load factor of AF on CDG-BEY-CDG was, from April 2003 to Sept. 2003 :

First : 51 % Business : 74,6 % Economy : 84 %

This is really not bad, considering that flights to the Middle East were quite deserted from April to Mid-June after the invasion of Irak by the U.S

 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:24 am

FLYSSC

Do you have facts and numbers on AF's Cairo operations?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:28 am

Interesting FlySSC. Thanks for the detailed info!

I noticed that the number of seats the airlines "own" on each others flight is split evenly.

So will MEA "own" 6 of the 12 First class seats on AF when they start code-sharing with the first class?

I've noticed that nowadays, First Class is sold out before Business and Economy are on the AF 777.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:31 am

BA

Does this mean the price of tickets with both airlines are the same?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:35 am

According to Trip.com, if you buy the seats through MEA, it is more expensive.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:38 am


How much more expensive? What are fares like on the routes (all classes)?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:46 am

How much more expensive varies depending on the day.

However, all 3 flights are the same price when bought from either MEA or Air France, but if you buy it through MEA, it's more expensive.

I only checked Economy.

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:50 am

BA

Shokran


FLYSSC

Do you have facts and numbers on AF's Cairo operations?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:52 am

Horus,

I'll try to get some figures concerning CDG-CAI tomorrow...(I have to go to CDG to work tomorrow  Sad )

BA
M.E.A was supposed to codeshare ALSO in First class from the next summer season. I don't know if the final agreement has been signed. It was rumored that M.E.A wanted to introduce a First Class on its A332, as there seems to be a real demand for "First" by the Lebanese PAX...
As you said, some of them prefere to fly the AF B777 because we offer a First Class.
They prefere to fly AF565 from BEY in afternoon and stay an over night in Paris to catch a connection the next day, rather than flying M.E.A Business Class on the morning flight from BEY and have their connection right away at CDG...
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:42 pm

FLYSSC

That would be great! Whats wrong with working in CDG, I wouldn't turn down the chance to work in an airport (though it does depend on the job).

Is AF's First Class cabin equipped with sleeper seats/beds like AA, UN, BA, QA?
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:52 pm

Shou
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:09 am

YA Hours,
Yeah AF do have sleeper seats on the 777-200ER which are the aircraft that fly to BEY and CAI. And since your the only Egyptian on a.net, how spotting at CAI?
anyway here are the photos of Af's 772 sleeper seats

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And busniess seats look like Cedar Class
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:38 am

ToBeywithMEA

Tislam. They look very comfortable, but not as nice as those used by BA, UA, AA and QA.

Its not difficult taking photos at CAI though you might get a bit of hassle if you hang around too wrong. But one of the best places to go for photos is actually not at the airport. The airport is located next to Heliopolis (a Cairo suburb). In this well-off area there are many huge shopping malls, and many of them have cafes on the top floor that offer amazing views of landing planes.

I've also been to Sharm El Shiekh, Luxor, Marsa Metruh, Hurghada, Aswan and Alexandria. Airports serving the Red Sea resorts tend to be spotter friendly. During one of my visits in Sharm I asked a soldier near the gate if I can take a photo, and he actually escorted me closer to the aircraft (it was an Alitalia MD-11) to take some photos. I really like visiting those airports cos you get to see airlines that don't serve Cairo like:

1. LTU A330-300
2. Hapag Lloyd A310-200/300 and B737-800
3. Condor B767-300 B757-300 and A320
4. Edelweiss A330-200 and A320
5. Monarch A330, B757 and A300
6. Brittania B757 and B767
7. Excel B737-800
8. Astreaus B737-700
9. Thomas Cook B767, B757 and A320
10. Air Berlin B737-800

And those are just from the UK and Germany
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:15 am

Sukran ya Hours. I asked becasue I plan on going to CAI in april, Should I go MEA or Eqypt Air. Shoufo, Hours will tell me Egypt Air and اللبناني will tell me MEA.
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:39 am

ToBeywithMEA

Yahala yahala

Hahaha  Laugh out loud

Ah well its upto in the end,

Egyptair or MEA-That is the question!


p.s. Egyptair off course-no competition  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously its up to you-no pressure

hint hint: Egyptair

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:03 am

there was another guy, EA777, wonder what happened to him.
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:54 am

Hi Horus !

I am back from work...  Smile There is nothing wrong working at CDG...Well, I am working for AF as a Flight Attendant and I am based at CDG. Today was my last trip before 15 days of holidays... this explains the  Sad sign in my last post...

I am sorry but I couldn't get the last figures concerning AF's load factor on CDG-CAI...  Sad

What I can say is that AF lost market shares this winter in continuing flights to RUH and JED after CAI, as the offer on the CDG-CAI was much lower than the demand. This explain the additional flights next summer...

55% of AF PAX on CAI-CDG are in connection on another AF flight at CDG, mainly to France provinces, North America and Africa.
AF is the third European Airline on the Egyptian market in terms of Market shares with 14% far behind LH (30%) and BA (21%).

AF studies the possibility to open a nonstop flight CDG-ALY to increase its presence in Egypt, especially with Alexandria, known to be very "Francophile".

Next summer season, AF will operate 12 Weekly flights CDG-CAI :

Monday : AF508 CDG 1:45PM A343
Tuesday : AF524 CDG 10:15AM A343

Wed/Fri/Sun : AF544 CDG 10:15AM A332 / AF508 CDG 1:45PM B772

Thur/sat : AF524 CDG 10:15AM A332 / AF508 CDG 1:45PM A343

AF544 continues to RUH / AF524 continues to JED

 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:18 am

FLYSSC

Thanks for all the information. AF will be increasing their flights to double daily next year too.

If AF lost market share, why didn't they launch additional flights in the winter, rather than wait until summer. But it's great news AF is increasing their operations in the long-run to 2x daily even when direct services are re-launched to Saudi Arabia.

As for market share, I am sure that Alitalia must be in the top 3, they operate 3x daily flight to Cairo from Italy.

And are AF really planning to launch flights to Alexandria? Is this a rumour or will it really happen? I always wandered why they don't operate on the route considering BA and Lufthansa fly to ALX-Borg Al-Arab from their respective hubs. Ah, that would be great, they'll probably operate 3/4 weekly with A320s.

FLSSC, you've really made my day with all this good info/news, you're going on my respected list!

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:54 pm

Horus,

To answer your question : AF didn't add flights to CAI this summer because...we didn't have enough planes !

AF is going to receive soon the brand new B777-300ER (there should be 5 aircrafts from april to December) and also additional A332...

About AZ, they have flights to MXP and FCO from CAI but they use A320 or Md80, so the offer in terms of seats is lower..

Concerning the opening of ALY, it is part of a whole plan concerning the Middle East destinations that AF wants to reconquer.
Until 1993, AF, after the merging with UTA was flying to many more destinations in the Middle East : DOH, BAH, AUH, KWI, MCT, ADE, SAA, THR, DAH, SHJ, etc...
All were closed after the drastic saving money plan...to save AF from bankruptcy in 1993. Only the most profitable routes were kept : CAI, BEY, DXB, RUH, JED, AMM, DAM.

Things begin to change : AF is going back to THR from June 14th (5/Weekly nonstop A332 ) and will launch the "Dedicate" service to DOH, KWI, Kish Island... with the A319LR. If this new service is successful among passengers, AF plans to open as many as 10 new destinations in Africa and Middle East with this service within the next two years !

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:20 am

FLYSSC

Will the B777-300ERs be used on any flights to the Middle East, perhaps at the start to train pilots maybe?

About AZ they fly 2x daily out of Milan using A320s on both flights (AZ883 and AZ899) and 1x daily out of Rome using the A321(AZ897). No MD-80s are used. According to Al-Ahram newspaper services to Rome will be increased to 18x weekly and Milan will increase to 11x weekly during the winter season, though there hasn't been any official announcement yet.

Can't wait for the ALX flights though  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

About these new services to the Middle East with A319LR, are they business class only like some of Lufthansa's (Privatair)transatlantic services? Also all the cities they have chosen will probably become profitable though I can't see how Kish Island (Iran) will generate much money. Indeed it is a tourist place, but where are the business travelers? I am sure they wouldn't have launched flights there if they knew it would flop, so can you explain to me the market between Paris and Kish Island?

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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:37 am

Horus,

The A319LR are configured in two class : 28 Business / 54 Economy
I have some pics of the aircraft interior, I can mail them to you if you are interested.

Kish Island is a touristic place, but it's also a place of oil fields.
Dubai is the main base for Total-Fina-Elf for its off shore and on shore operations in Iran. The transfer to the verious platforms start daily from DXB, especially to Kish Island... and Total-Fina-Elf is an important client for AF... Having nonstop flights from CDG to Kish without transferring at DXB is very important for them...and will be lucrative for AF !

On AF flights to DXB, 40% of the PAX are in transit at DXB to AUH, DOH, KWI, MCT, BAH, Pakistan, India and...Iran !

The load factor of AF on CDG-DXB (all classes ) is around 75 %
 
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RE: Air France A380 Coming To Beirut In The Summer 07?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:46 am

FLYSSC

That would be great if you email them to me, can't you post them on the forum?

I suppose Kish will work then!  Smile

Have you been able to get the loadfactors on the CDG-CAI flights today?

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