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What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:59 am

Basically what the topic says. What is the largest airline merger in world aviation history? Basically what two airlines had the most employees, network system, and fleet that merged together to one.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:10 am

I would have to say that AA-TWA would be up there.

Of course, once KLM-Air France goes through, that one should take the cake.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:17 am

Are we forgetting UA and Pan Am? That was a big one for the Pacific routes.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:22 am

I don't recall, but was US-UA supposed to be a more extensive code share or an out-and-out merger. That would have been the biggest had it gone through.

Imagine what would have happened if it had...
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:24 am

Did UA take over all of PA? I thought DL got some of PA and the PA routes to England and other cities, I know that DL got the A310 from PA.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:24 am

Dont think Ua buying the Pacific rights/assets of PA counts a a merger. But I do feel one of the worst ever mergers was PA/National. PA paid a HUGE chunk of change to get National's routes. Had they just waited a few months, they could have flown anywhere they wanted after deregulation. Just MHO, but I think that merger is one of the basic causes of PA going into history
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:45 am

I think it was either the Delta/Western or
the Northwest/Republic
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:17 am

I still think its AA-TWA.

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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:22 am

I would have to say the big bang of PE, CO, NY the original Frontier and the assets of EA that Frank Lorenzo had sold off or ruined yet.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:25 am

I think more of Pan Am went to DL then UA. Had DL purchased everything from Pan Am that would have been the largest instead some Pacific ops went to UA, Trans-Atlantic (excluding LHR) went to DL and eventually most of the Caribbean went to AA. DL did not purchase the Caribbean/South American routes due to the instability in the region however five years after that they wished they had.

I would say AA/TWA is the largest, but I am sure DL/Western is up there. What about the Canadian airlines? That is a good question. I think at the time of the merger TWA wasn't as big as Western, but AA was much larger than DL was in 1987.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:30 am

Pan Am never merged with anyone. They where already out of business when UAL and DAL picked up their assets. As far as an active merger....I'll go with TWA-AA as said above, but I'm guessing Western and Delta was a close one.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:31 am

Other large mergers include:

BOAC and BEA to form British Airways

British Airways and British Caledonian -- of course British Airways name survived

QANTAS and Australian Airlines -- QANTAS the remaining airline

JAL and JAS -- Japan Airlines became the remaining airline.

 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:31 am

How about the BOAC merger with BEA and I want to say(please correct me if I'm wrong) and British Caledonian?  Smile
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:37 am

AA/TWA merger is probably the biggest AFTER AA bought out QQ. (Reno Air)

UA bought out Pan Am?? I didnt know that.

[Edited 2004-03-09 03:38:44]
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:38 am

UA/US would have been the largest.

American/TWA was quite large, as was US Air's take over of Piedmont and PSA, which occured one year apart.

Continental's acquisition of PE was also quite large, along with the formation of Texas Air Corp. out of CO/EA/PE/F9.

Texas Air was the world's largest airline holding company until EAL went under in 1991.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:38 am

United purchased Pan Am's Heathrow routes and slots, as well as its route network to Latin America, which included flights from Miami and JFK.

Delta purchased Pan Am's North Atlantic routes.

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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:41 am

Other large mergers also include:

Air Canada and Canadian Airlines into Air Canada

And what about Indian Airlines and Vayudoot -- from memory Vayudoot had a staff of something like 25,000 for an airline with only a single aircraft left at the end of its life.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:45 am

Ahh that explains who go what in the Pan Am liquidation. BTW...isnt Pan Am still around but as an LCC with much smaller aircraft? Sort of like Pan Am II? I know that sounds really stupid to call it that.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:47 am

I would be surprised if it wasn't the AA/TWA merger. That combined two of the biggest airlines in the world, however I really don't understand what they got out of it. Much like Reno Air acquisition, AA seems to have junked all the routes.

As far as what it did for the airline, I think NW/Republic merger was the most significant. It really made NWO (at the time) a major domestic US airline. I just wished Republic hadn't had bought Hughes Air Worst. I liked the Banana in the sky.
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:56 am

The largest domestic only merger was June 1961 when United bought Capital.
That made UA the largest airline in the USA by FAR over Eastern who was second in routes and equiptment at that time. There was loose talk of an AA-EA merger in 1963 and a Continental-National(the one that merged with Pan Am) about the same time. The C A B (civil aeronautics board) shot them both down because they claimed two prosperous companies cannot merge. Capital was hurting bad when UA came to their rescue. This is early 60's stuff, but quite factual.

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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:00 pm

My guess would be AA/TW, but once KLM/AF goes through....that will probably be it.

AirframeAS, yes! PanAm is still operating like that, check them out at:

http://www.flypanam.com
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:01 pm

Well monitarily the largest merger/takeover in Europe was the 913 million (US$) paid. The 11.6 billion $ deal between UA and US would have been the biggest.
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:15 pm

ContinentalEWR,

You forgot New York Air,

Texas Air Corp. was created well before the merger.

Actually New York Air and Continental were "sister" airlines under the Texas Air umbrella (i am looking at a stock certificate I was awarded in "85).
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:46 pm

Corrections --


Texas Air Group purchased Continental and merged it into Texas Air International, but retained the Continental name. Later, Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express (which also owned Frontier) and merged Continental and New York Air (which was began as a wholly-owned subsidy) into People’s Express, but kept the Continental name. Texas Air Group also purchased Eastern, but was never able to merge it into Continental (or vice versa)… however, many of Eastern’s assets were “transferred” to Continental. Many of Frontier’s assets (specifically aircraft) wound up with United.

United and Delta purchased portions of Pan Am’s assets, the airline was never merged into any airline.

American purchased most of TWA’s assets, the airline was not officially merged into American.

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Asking ‘which merger was the largest’ is a broad question. I’m sure there’s a different answer for value (including that adjusted to today’s value). I’m sure it’d be one of the following:

-- National merging into Pan Am

-- Western merging into Delta

-- Republic merging into Northwest

-- Piedmont and PSA merging into US Air

-- Continental and Frontier merging into People’s Express, but retaining the Continental name (even though Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express/Frontier)
 
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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:50 pm

industrialpate,

Thank you for articulating all of that so much better than I could have.

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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:03 pm

From USAirways.com

1989 Piedmont is integrated into USAir, the largest merger in airline history. The merger brings with it Piedmont's international routes as well as its Charlotte, Baltimore, Dayton and Syracuse hubs. Baltimore and Charlotte remain hubs. The merger also brings USAir's first wide body jets, the Boeing 767-200ERs now used on its transatlantic and some transcontinental routes.

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RE: What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?

Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:13 pm

Thanks for the correction IndustrialPate.  Big thumbs up