Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Thu Jan 27, 2000 11:59 am

Well, in the light of Lufthansa saying the B757-300 has the lowest per seat mile operating costs of any aircraft in the Lufthansa/Condor fleet it seems good timing the 757 is off on a sales tour.

Leaving Seattle on 4th Februray it's going on a 3 week, 3 continent tour covering 31 Airlines in 17 Cities and 9 Countries.

First stops in the USA, then Canada and over to Europe. Next to China and Tiwan via Turkey.

Boeing wants to double the order book by the end of the year! That's not much of a challenge to take 15 orders in 11 months. Talk about setting you sights low 

OK then, who can provide a guess at the airlines to be visited.

Here's the list I came up with but could only think of 27 obvious airlines that might be interested

America West

Air Canada
Air Transat
Canada 3000
Royal Airlines

Air 2000
British Airways
jmc AIR

Air Alfa
Istanbul Airlines (both flew 752s until recently)

China Southern
China Southwest
Shanghai Airlines

Far Eastern Air Transport

Do you think I missed any obvious ones? I know I missed some, but can't think what they are.
Anyway, good luck to them 

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Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:52 pm

if that many airlines are interetsed in 757-300, than they would order the damn plane 2 years ago.

the most obvious airliens who are many be:

1. american airlines
2. twa
3. FAT.

but who wants a plane that is a updated 20 year olds design???

that's why Boeing should develop the 787-an all new narrowbody airliner~!!

Who Would That Please?

Thu Jan 27, 2000 2:29 pm

Who wants a 787. It wouldn't be compatible with the 757 or 767.

No airline wants a completely new airliner if it's totally new and has nothing in common with anything else in the fleet. The 757-300 is a deriveative.

If the 737NG was a totally new design it would have sold a lot less well. Southwest wouldn't have touched it for a start!

The 757-300 is a derivative as most potential customers already fly the 757, so the new type wouldn't require much effort to intoduce and will require little crew/engineering support or training over the -200!

We'll wait and see what happens. Expect a jmc AIR order soon though!

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RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Fri Jan 28, 2000 2:22 am

I agree 787? No not yet. Besides it would take a few years to get it going.

Pandora said:
"but who wants a plane that is a updated 20 year olds design???"

I've seen many of these comments in the forum...and I never understood them...because when it comes down to it almost every airliner out there is and updated re worked model of an original. ie A340/330...A300 from the 70's, we know about the 737NG history, even the A320! It been on the works since the early 80's. (Or so)

My point is if it ain't broke...don't fix it!

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RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Fri Jan 28, 2000 6:49 am


I'm sure one of the charter airlines in Britain will order the 757-300. Britannia might because they are going to be disposing there 767-200's over the next few years. They are also taking delivery of 737-800's though.

How many passengers does the 757-300 hold in a charter class layout?


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RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Fri Jan 28, 2000 6:59 am

Is there a list of cities?


Fri Jan 28, 2000 8:26 pm

The 757-300s max capacity is only one less than the 767-200. 289 v 290.
Britannia may well order the type.
I also heard a rumour (from a BY pilot) that the airline is looking at getting the A330-200 like AIH/MON. But I can't stress enough - IT IS ONLY A RUMOUR!

No, In the article it just listed the countries. Try is all I can suggest. I think it's coming through Manchester (UK) on the 10th because there's an Arkia 757-300 due that day and they don't fly there.
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Fri Jan 28, 2000 9:22 pm

I heard that Britannia are not feeling too well. They might be passing their long haul routes to other operators (some of them anyway) and that they regret ever getting rid of the smaller aircraft. A 757-200 in winter to some of their destinations is way overdoing it already. Whether they are prepared for a larger aircraft is anyone's guess. As for the A330, I have heard something about this, but I'm not sure.


Fri Jan 28, 2000 11:47 pm

Apparently they're dropping a lot of long haul. They can make as much flying hajj flights to Mecca in a month than they can in an entire season flying to OZ/NZ.

The A330 thing is JUST A RUMOUR

And BY are getting 2 B737-800s in April. However, you're right the 757 is too big in the winter for BRS,NCL etc Probably why everyone else has A320s!!!!!


RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:41 am

I do not see much sales on the 757-300. The main reason is because the A320 is more fuel efficient and can carry more payload. But I can see a good number going to USAir for short hops. Such As Charlotte to Denver. The design of the 757 was to help with the dismissal of the 727, and compete with the MD-80. Boeing is desperate, but hey USAirways always pulls through.


RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:55 am

The A320 can carry more payload. NO IT CAN'T 

Even if you're talking about the A321, the 757-200 can easily carry more payload over a much greater distance that the A321 with only slightly higer operating costs.

If you compare the A321 to the 757-300, the 757 can carry more pax (289 v 220) still has a much greater range and actually beats the A321s seat mile costs.

I don't think Boeing are desparate, remember what a slow seller the 757/767 were in the early 1980s? Things will pick up when it's proven in service!

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RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Sat Jan 29, 2000 6:39 am

Also the 757-300 is the most efficient aircraft in Lufthansa's fleet and that includes the entire Airbus family.
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TengoAlpha & Pandora

Sat Jan 29, 2000 6:49 am

What are you guys smoking?!! Pandora, think of what you said. The 757-300 is a 20 year old design (by the way, that would make the A320 15 years old!!!), yet the whole point of this post is it's the most efficient per seat airliner, and that includes the A320 family. What the hell is different technology going to do?!!! Make it more efficient?!!! It already is!! Who are you kidding?!! TengoAlpha, you just flat out don't know what you're talking about. Never in anyones dreams has any A320 family aircraft carried more payload than any 757 model. That is a stunning misstatement. US Airways has just now ordered an A321-200 with the new high gross weight so it can make a transcontinental trip!!! 757's have been doing it with full loads easily for 15 years!!! I have to admit I'm surprised with the lack of correct information and the thinking regarding this issue.
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RE: Boeing Takes 757-300 On Tour Looking For Orders!

Tue Feb 01, 2000 12:58 am

Plus, Why would USAir want 757-300s when they are comitted to an all Airbus fleet (eventuall)?

US Airways - All Airbus?

Tue Feb 01, 2000 1:26 am

Have they actually said that?
I think they need a small TransAtlantic aircraft like the 767. US Airways are not a major International airline like Air France or United. They will not be able to fill an A330 on all their longhaul routes.
It's also a very big jump from the A321 to the A330 and Airbus has nothing in-between!

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RE: US Airways - All Airbus?

Tue Feb 01, 2000 3:22 am

I also think that US Airways will need an aircraft in between the two that can go across the Atlantic. I think that moving to the A330s was a risk. They are larger than the 767s and may be harder to fill. Now that they are getting rid of the 757s and 767s there will be a problem. Maybe they wil order the A330-200 but I still think that it is too much capacity.
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US Airways Misinformation

Tue Feb 01, 2000 6:50 am

1) US Airways has not committed to being all Airbus. That statement is simply wrong. I don't know where the idea came from, as US Airways has never said such a thing.

2) US Airways has not said anything about getting rid of the 757/767. In fact it is widely expected that they will be kept for use on US transcon and smaller international markets. I'm really curious as to why you thought the 757/767 was being disposed of.

3) The 333 (and the 772 which was also considered) was not a risk. The 767s were way too small for the routes they were flying. Considering that other airlines are offering hub-Europe service on 777s and 747s, flying small jets like 767s puts US at a considerable disadvantage.
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What Should Bein The 757?

Tue Feb 01, 2000 6:38 pm

the 757-300 shall have in order to make it attrative:

1. all new cabin design
3. 777 style cockpit
4. new light weight composite for fuslarge!!!

i ask you:

how many new boeing planes hadn't got FBW:

-the 737NG
and finally the planned 747-400X!

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