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Aer Lingus Looks At MIA, DFW, SFO, PHL, Asia/Aust.

Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:22 pm

From the Irish Examiner...


Aer Lingus net profit soars to €69.2m

By Ian Guider
AER LINGUS saw its net profits nearly double last year as further cost cuts and a 6% rise in passenger traffic moved earnings higher.

The State-owned carrier said its net profit last year was up 96% to €69.2 million. At operating level, profits were up 30% to €83m, ahead of the €75m target for the year.

According to the airline's chief executive Willie Walsh the profit was achieved due to a sharp fall in its cost base, with €89m in costs stripped out during 2003 and €344m since the airline was restructured in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

"The financial performance last year was very strong and when you consider the environment for us, it is pleasing to have exceeded our target and get an operating margin of over 9%. We made very significant progress in financial terms but there is still more we have to do," Mr Walsh said.

Turnover for the year dropped by 7.3% to €888.3m, despite a 6.2% rise in the number of passengers flown to 6.6 million.

Mr Walsh said the decrease in turnover was the result of lower fares to European destinations, which dropped 10% last year.

The airline expects average fares to drop by 10% this year and a further 10% next year.

To offset the fall in fares it expects further costs to be taken out of the business and increased efficiencies from staff, rising internet sales and new aircraft to come on stream.

"We are going to see a fall in revenue again in 2004 and that means more costs have to come out," Mr Walsh said.

The airline's operating margin rose from 6.7% to 9.3%, its highest ever, and left it on course for a margin of 15% of sales by 2006.

Both European and transatlantic passenger numbers were up, with a 3.9% rise to European destinations, despite a 4.8% fall in passengers on its London routes.

Passenger numbers on the airline's continental European routes were ahead by 27%, while it flew 1.1 million transatlantic passengers, a 19% rise on 2002.

Mr Walsh added that it was looking to open new routes to the United States, and had Dallas, San Francisco, Miami and Philadelphia in its sights. The airline is also looking at the possibility of services to Australia and south-east Asia.

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On aerlingus.com, possibly to gauge demand to possible new service, Miami, Philadelphia, and San Francisco are on Aer Lingus' drop down list of destinations, even though they do not usually display destinations they do not fly to with their own aircraft.

I say Miami and San Francisco have the best shot. Can't speak for San Francisco, but the Miami-Ireland market is pretty big, and lot's of new oneWorld, one-stop connections are opened up.
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Strictly from my biased view PHL would be nice...we have this nice new international terminal but no new airlines have come calling...

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Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:33 pm

Great!!! A new International airline coming into Philadelphia!!!! US Airways fly to Dublin and Shannon with a 767-200 so load factors must be real good if Aer Lingus is looking at the Philly-Ireland route!
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:04 pm

Or, of course, it could be that EI doesn't see US having a long term future on that route . . . or elsewhere . . .

It's a positive development that EI has said openly that it's looking at an Asian route. The big fly in the ointment is the whole bilateral issue. Frankly, I'm always worried about the Irish authorities conducting bilaterals, because they don't usually get it right. They want to protect SNN for another few years, but it will means a relaxing of the 50/50 rule. Still, it will reduce Aer Lingus's competitiveness against other airlines, so I wonder how the EU will see this.

Positive moves ahead, anyway.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:55 pm

While they are considering Philadelphia, I can't see them in Philly for a while, at least not while USAirways is still flying to Dublin and Shannon. SFO and MIA would probably come first. DFW later.

Though before anything, there needs to be a new US-Ireland bilateral, or you won't see Aer Lingus at any of the four.
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:24 pm

Please do remember that the other main reason for wanting to start MIA and DFW flights are that theyre both 2 HUGE AMERICAN AIRLINE's HUBS hence it would be very convienient for EI to fly there and then transfer traffic to AA.

Latin American traffic can pass through MIA whereas domestic USA and West Coast-MEXICO can go via DFW or even MIA if its on the East or Southern USA coast.

As for PHL...an A 332 is perfect and the same applies to SFO. Both cities should be 3-4 weekly.

As for the Asian expansion...choice of cities to look at should be DXB-KUL-BKK-BOM/DEL with the A 332s only due to its longer range flying ability compared to its big brother the A 333.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:04 pm

Besides Dubai, what other possible destinations would they serve in the Middle East?
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:10 pm


Do you think Aer Lingus will order new aircraft to start further Long-Haul routes. I'd love to see them operate the A340-500/600


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Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:38 pm

I think the A330-200 has a good size and range for the possible new American routes. Aer Lingus may well lease a couple more for long-haul expansion when it takes place.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:25 pm

I'm always partial to DFW. With the new Terminal D opening up next year and the fortress hub AA has there, it is feaseable to see AerLingus give it a try. It would be great to see some color variety at DFW!
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:34 pm

I am thinking that MIA is the way to go on this. Would be a huge money maker. I also think DFW would be great as well.

BKK would be the first choice for Asia, if not HKG. HKG Would have really good
feed there with CX. What about range? Can a 332 make the DUB-BKK or
DUB-HKG runs? Or will it have to be DUB-DXB-BKK, and add DXB to the list of
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:40 pm

You've gotta think DFW is a lock. DFW offers such a broad scale of connections, I'm sure the route would be a success. I believe that was what EI was banking on when it said that it may consider starting St. Louis last spring. SFO and MIA are equally strong markets (in general) and both should work nicely with something like 4-7x per week. With US still in existence, PHL seems less likely, but they may be banking on them washing up when they make that statement.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:59 pm

If US does go under, PHL is a clear choice for EI. Last year, US averaged over a 90% load factor on both services to Ireland (US flies seperate, seasonal PHL-SNN and PHL-DUB on 762s).

While not attracting too many full fares, the average fare on this route from Philly wasn't low either...
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:15 am

I'd give anything to see Aer Lingus at Dallas and I'm very biased towards my airport, but you have to give MIA the leg up on this one. More connections to South America and quite a few flights to the mainland US, plus Miami and Florida are tourist destinations for Europeans. Can't believe that many Euros are itching to come to Texas for holiday.

Although I have a friend whose dad is Irish and he has a few Irish friends that live in Dallas, so maybe the route would work. Ha. All this Irish talk has gotten me pumped up for the St. Patty's Day parade/party on Greenville Ave. this weekend. Cheers!
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:44 am


Im not sure if St. Patrick was a Drag Queen but the last time I checked he was nicknamed St. Paddy not St. Patty. Big grin

I would like to travel to Dallas. No reason really but at times Aer Lingus can offer extremely low fares to the US. In December I got flights to BWI for 221.32 euro return from Dublin. The most expensive flight i got around the same time when I priced all of their 5 US destinations was Los Angeles at 284 euro. Those fares were incl all taxes and charges.

I think more Long haul aircraft would be great. I would assume more A332 would be obtained and perhaps some A340-500/600 for Asian/Aussie routes. How cool would they look in the EI livery. Infact I think the 777 would look really great in their fantastic colour scheme. But they are more likely to continue their all Airbus convesion.

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:18 am

Why not ATL? Is it because Aer Lingus is not a SkyTeam member? DL flies to Dublin and Shannon daily...I'm fairly certain we could support another flight from Aer Lingus from ATL.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:20 am

Thanks for the spelling correction - I was just going with the "t" in Patrick but I see your point.

I'm not sure what EI's plans are but I would assume that you're right, that they would maintain their Airbus concentration instead of paying for a 772 or something like that. Are there routes that EI could place an A345 on? DUB-HKG or something like that? I don't know much about Irish businesses and/or with whom they do alot of trading, aside from companies in the US in areas like NYC/BOS. What are some other markets that might work from DUB?
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:29 am

I would welcome seeing the shamrock just about anywhere. I flew Aer Lingus once not long ago and they had really good service. Flights to PHL might keep US Airways on their toes. Flights to MIA would make good sense; it's a OneWorld hub, there are plenty of business opportunities in Asia and there's a large Irish population in Australia. All of these would make sense if there's a market.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:12 am

Sure, Airbus looks like the most likely option, but on the other hand, the Americans have the most important card. Aer Lingus wants US expansion and is waiting for more US access before deciding on this. The US may well say, unofficially, "buy Boeings and you can have what you like".

Of course, the Irish govt still wants some US access for SNN, but is willing to liberalise the current 50/50 rule. Nonetheless, the EU Commission will still want to see what Ireland is doing and may veto a restrictive bilateral on competitiveness grounds. The US/Ireland bilateral is being negotiated "offline" so to speak, i.e. not related to the EU/US issues, which are likely to be delayed by the US election.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:18 am

Why not ATL? Is it because Aer Lingus is not a SkyTeam member? DL flies to Dublin and Shannon daily...I'm fairly certain we could support another flight from Aer Lingus from ATL.


Aer Lingus would get smashed at ATL. No way it will work.

Now, I know I live here, so I'm biased, but I'm giving Miami the leg up on being the first destinations:

-Very popular tourist destination for Irish
-Irish have one of Europe's largest disposable incomes and love to travel. Miami opens easy one-stop connections throughout Florida and the Caribbean.
-Would be able to offer strong O&D on both sides
-Would give Miamians a "lower fare" choice to Europe

Dallas would be an excellent choice too:
-oneWorld's biggest hub
-Easy one-stop connections throughout the United States. That right there can probably fill the plane
-Would give Dallas area residents a "lower fare" choice to Europe

San Francsisco should have little problems, but I can't see Philadelphia working with USAirways still there. Orlando is another destination that has potential, but they are better off letting passengers connect in Miami.
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:07 am

Aer Lingus would get smashed at ATL. No way it will work.

Maybe you are right, but it's tough to swallow just seeing DL, BA, AF, LH, Europe bound heavies in Atlanta. Heck, even Alitalia is a SkyTeam member and none of their aircraft even come to ATL.

I'd likd to see more international airlines in ATL overall. KLM is gone, Swiss is gone, Sabena is gone. It's always the same four tail livery's in the air here at Concourse E every afternoon.

What is cool though is the A340-600 that comes in from Johannesburg every morning from South African Airlines. I am lucky to see her here every day.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:42 am

I think that PHL would be towards the bottom of that list- I mean they already serve BWI and JFK both within an hour and a half of PHL. Besides I think that US has such high loads on their flights from PHL because of their extensive international hub- it's the most lucrative international hub for them which also makes me think that they will fight fight fight WN there.

I do like Aer Lingus a lot- flew them from BWI once and thoroughly enjoyed it... I just think that they will (or should) seek another destination away from the northeast

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:51 am

To be honest, I see MIA at the top of the pile.

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:54 am

Hold your horses boys.


Firstly, any new routes to the USA require a revision to the Irish / USA bilateral. That may take a very long time, especially as the Irish side are likely to press to retain as much as possible of the Shannon stopover insanity in any new agreement. Following the European Court of Justice decision, Ireland may also have to bring the EU Commission along.


Second, there is no doubt that EI are looking at serving Florida - could well be elsewhere than MIA, FLL or MCO perhaps. And also the Bay Area, where Oakland was rumoured to be the favourite rather than SFO.

Thirdly, EI need to think hard about extending services on long routes due to fleet planning and resource use reasons. It is very , very hard to compete from Ireland with services via LHR or AMS, when daily frequency is not on offer..
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:06 am

Alitalia is a SkyTeam member and none of their aircraft even come to ATL

Though AZ plans to eventually serve ATL sometime in the not-near future... they have no real need to, as ATI with DL serves their interests well.
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:06 am

Dctc47...Oakland over SFO or SJC, you are kidding right? Oakland has 1 In't gate. SFO and SJC have brand new Int'l terminals. I would say Oakland is third on the list. SFO you have the traffic, big name airport. SJC has the AA feed being a small hub for them. Oakland has limited space and until its redone it is for lack of a better word, a trashy airport! I assure you the OAK name may pop up, but maybe when they are talking about what airport to place on the flight plan as an alternate.

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:49 am

OAK was the last rumour here - price may be a factor.

DUB is not even good enough to be a trashy airport, with abysmal facilities, especially for transatlantic departures - you usually have to stand in the gate area there;(and apparently no plans to improve them) and a baggage hall where the ceiling tiles have been removed for , oh about five years or so, so that the air conditioning ducts can entertain you as you wait for your luggage.

Of course SFO might be nicer.

 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:54 am

Why would EI be considering "secondary" US markets, before returning to primary Canadian markets -- YUL & YYZ. Haven't seen the Shamrock over the skies of Canada for years.

Certainly it is mainly ethnic VFR traffic, but no more so than serving BWI.

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:23 am

Understandable that cost can be a factor. OAK is not a good choice for a Oneworld carrier to serve from another counrty. Its one small International gate thats in a very overcrowded at times terminal. I can not even imagine them choosing over SFO whicj they would park next to British and Cathay Pacific. SFO is giving good prices to new carriers right now on landing fee's and if the Bilateral rule can get worked out it would be a nice choice.

I can not compare DUB to OAK but I have been to SNN and their facility is still nicer then Oakland. I think OAK will get some new business once they build the new terminal, till then I would not imagine you will even see an new carriers from Europe, not including some of the small carriers ( SATA or Corsair).

I look forward to an announcement by Aer Lingus not matter where they decide to serve. I agree with above post that Miami could be a good choice, but I'm biased...Please SFO

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Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:37 am

Why does Aer Lingus fly to BWI. My understanding was they had the right to fly to a Washington DC airport meaning BWI or IAD. I would think they would choose IAD over BWI....or am i wrong?

Also IF Philly ever does get service would they consider consolidating the BWI service into the Philly service. If they had the choice between BWI and PHL i would think they would go to PHL(eventhough they face competition with US), but since they are not allowed in PHL, they opted for BWI instead
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:09 am

Maybe you are right, but it's tough to swallow just seeing DL, BA, AF, LH, Europe bound heavies in Atlanta. Heck, even Alitalia is a SkyTeam member and none of their aircraft even come to ATL.

There is nothing hard to swallow. It is not a huge O&D market (though larger than most people give credit for), and Delta takes the majority of the traffic. Why would Alitalia fly to Atlanta? They can have Delta take care of Atlanta, and then fly to markets with stronger O&D, like Miami, New York City, and Boston.

I'd likd to see more international airlines in ATL overall. KLM is gone, Swiss is gone, Sabena is gone. It's always the same four tail livery's in the air here at Concourse E every afternoon.

JAL and Varig are gone too. So is Austrian. As long as Delta has thier mega-hub, they probably won't be coming back.

What is cool though is the A340-600 that comes in from Johannesburg every morning from South African Airlines. I am lucky to see her here every day.

Not for long:
http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/0304/09safrica.html

Despite what the article says, the most likely place SAA will move to are Miami, Washington Dulles, or both.
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:05 pm

Usairways85:

BWI offered nice incentives to EI when it first began service, pre-9/11. Three years of waived landing fees ain't too bad if ya ask me! EI also pointed out that BWI is conveniently located for those going to D.C. and/or Baltimore.
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Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:29 am

Aer Lingus focus is more on the US than on Asia. The problem for EI is, does it want to have all its long haul eggs in the US basket. It might see more opportunity in the US at the moment (as long as the stopover is removed), but long haul there's a lot to be achieved by looking at other markets. If it doesn't, what happens? EK will come in and Aer Lingus might as well forget about long haul eastbound flights. EK will be a ruthless and aggressive competitor. It won't be interested in the 3-4 weekly EI might fly; it'll want to start daily and work up to 2 daily, then to larger aircraft. With a shopping list like it has, EK doesn't want to hang about. The Irish market has potential, but at the moment, there may only be room for one carrier. If EI starts, EK may well come on the route if EI isn't sufficiently aggressive in growing the market. If EK starts, then EI might not see any point in going up against them. Their main focus is Australia and as its new n/s to MEL shows, it's committed to growing that market.

So, where does that leave us? Well, the Irish govt wants to privatise Aer Lingus at some stage; will investors be comfortable with an airline that has an admittedly successful long haul operation, but only across the Atlantic, or will they appreciate growth. The Irish govt is being relied upon to change the US bilateral (or negotiate a change), but since it's in Ireland's interests to have a direct link, it might (a) ask EI to commit to an Asian route as a secret "quid quo pro", or (b) play one off against the other.

Behramjee, if you're reading this, any further news on new EK developments later this year. Might EK be persuaded to react if it thinks EI might start an Asian route ahead of it?
 
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Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:39 am

It'd be great to see EI launch into a BKK-MEL or BKK-SYD route. Of course they could easily codeshare the Australia leg with QF. There's always KUL or SIN too, but BKK would be the easiest on the A330's.

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