goomba
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LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:15 am

I am traveling to Europe with my wife in September and want to go from country to country while there via LCC's. Which one's are the best to go on?

I have done some research and found the fares to be reasonable on most of them. One's that I have looked at are easyJet, Volare, and RyanAir. Are there others that I should consider?

My route is ATL-BOS-CDG there and then CDG-ATL direct for the return. When I get to Paris, we will probably head to Venice next. Which LCC is the best?

Please advise...
 
richardw
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:26 am

Avoid Ryanair, pay a little extra for EZY, it is worth it.
 
nicedream
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:31 am


Easyjet may be a *little* better than Ryanair, but I would never say avoid Ryanair. They do fly a lot of routes, and are often times very cheap. Just make sure you know where you're actually landing, as it can sometimes be far from where you actually want to go. For example, I flew London-Stockholm, but had to take a 1 hour bus ride to get to the city center once I got there.

Here's a good web page for low fare airlines in europe:

http://www.cheapflights.co.uk/low-cost-about.html

And don't forget BMI (http://www.flybmi.com) Last year they were cheaper than Easyjet and Basiq for my London-Amsterdam flight.
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:35 am

Nicedream: Isn't BMI expensive? Are they really a LCC? I looked at BMIbaby and they were much more expensive at this point than RyanAir and easyJet.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:42 am

Goomba, you're bound to hear conflicting points of view on here as everyone has their favourites/hates.

I always book far in advance and compare Ryanair, Easyjet, bmibaby and Jet2 on their prices. Ryanair are consistently the lowest and despite what people say about them, they are not a bad airline. They are very punctual and do everything they advertise, which is provide a reliable service for a very low price. My advice would be stick to them as far as possible. Sometimes, if you are looking at a route that Ryanair does not serve, and you are looking at Easyjet's prices for it, you might find the full-service airlines are the same price or even a little cheaper.

[Edited 2004-03-10 16:43:04]
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goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:46 am

FlytoEGCC: Are there any others that I should consider for other countries besides the UK? I am starting from Paris and going to Venice, then probably Prague, then Amsterdam, then back to Paris for the return flight home.

This is what I am interested in.

Thanks for everyone's input.
 
nicedream
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:48 am


Goomba: True, BMI is not a "low cost airline", but as has been pointed out many times, sometimes you can do better on a traditional airline. Just trying to help this guy out.

My London to Amsterdam trip was a weekend (Leave Friday, return Sunday), so Easyjet and Basiq flights were pretty expensive. It was cheaper to fly BMI, plus I even got a sandwich onboard.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:52 am

Goomba, not too sure about that, I've only ever really paid attention to UK ones! Seemingly popular European ones are Volareweb, Helvetic, Hapag-Lloyd Express... other than that, I don't know a lot about it.
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goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:06 am

So as it stands considering I'm booking far in advance. Easyjet, RyanAir, Volare, Hapag-Lloyd are the best options.

I've also seen Air 2000, FlyBe, German Wings, Buzz, Virgin and Air Berlin. Any insight to these airlines?
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:53 am


Buzz was bought out by Ryanair (I think), so they are no longer around. I flew them once from Amsterdam-London and they were pretty good.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:58 am

Thanks NiceDream. If anyone else has any suggestions...please share them with me.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:08 am

You should come to GLA with flyglobespan.com and you will have a great holiday

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goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:10 am

Scotland is beautiful...I've been before. Just not on the docket for this trip across the pond. The wifey wants to go to Tuscany and to Prague.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:15 am

Go could have gone direct from EDI to Prague on CSA or Venice on FlyGlobespan and experienced Edinburgh's festival at the same time. Everyone has to do it in their lifetime, it rocks! Big grin
AVOID RYANAIR!! I'm going to start a campaign for everyone to avoid Ryanair so they go bust!  Laugh out loud if only! Not sure what kind of presence Easyjet have at Paris, but they are always a safe bet.
Have fun whoever you fly with, and let us know what happens!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:19 am

What is the largest French based LCC then?
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:23 am

I new you were a GLA van really. If FR go bust no pik = loads a euro services out a GLA go on my little side kick. who wants to go to edi ? Glasgow is scotland with style you not seen the hype and you should belive the hype!
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:47 am

I'm saying nothing.  Yawn  Insane
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:17 am

I can agree with everyone saying BMI. They are really great and not nearly as expensive as you'd expect. More often than not they are cheaper than Ryanair because it is quite expensive to get from London to Stansted whereas LHR is quite cheap.

Also: Air Berlin, Germanwings, Basiq Air (part of Transavia).

France has no loco I know of. However, it may be interesting to try the TGV fast train. You really notice the speed at 1 meter above the ground!
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:29 am

Paris-Venice-Prague-Amseterdam-Paris

how much time do you have?
I went fiveyears ago on an Eurail pass- it was quite nice. We did Paris-Rheims-Strasbourg-Zurich-Florence-Nice-Avignon-Paris and I think our pass was about 300 bucks- it was a student fare... It looks like you there is a pass for $374 which covers 5 days of travel. Bonus is that it's city centre to city centre. Minus- can be slow. I know that someone is going to shoot me down with lightning for suggesting that... but I love the trains in Europe and I think that that can be quite the "European way to go"

Chris
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:37 am

Chris:

The Eurorail is great. I've been to Europe on vacation numerous times and the train is wonderful. I have a 10 day vacation with two of these days sloted for crossing the pond. That's 8 travel days total. If I want to see Venice, Amsterdam, Prague and Paris, I will need to fly between these destinations as the train will take way too long to get inbetween the destinations. This is why I'm researching the LCC's.

BMI as of booking today is like 500 Euros from Paris to Venice whereas Volare was something like 40 Euros plus taxes. Tm me in US Dollars, that's like $60 one way. Surely the way to go from my perspective.
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:47 am

RyanAir, Easyjet, Volare are the three best LCC's in Europe?
 
richardw
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:07 am

Perhaps you should tell us where you actually want to go in europe, Goomba.
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:09 am

Richard - read the previous posts.

I am arriving from the US into CDG.

Then we will go from
Paris to Venice
Venice to Prague
Prague to Amsterdam
Amsterdam to Paris

 
ScottishLaddie
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:16 am

I know they're not LCCs but have you looked at AF,CSA,KLM,Alitalia etc?
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:19 am

Scottish - they are much more expensive. That is why I started this thread. I'm looking for the LCC's that operate from the cities that I mentioned above to figure out how best I can travel "Inter-Europe" without having to go broke doing so.
 
petertenthije
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:24 am

Varig flies the 777 between AMS and CDG at really cheap fares, but the flight is quite late so may not suite your schedule. Worth to look in to perhaps?
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ScottishLaddie
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:28 am

OK, how about trying the airport websites for lists if airlines operating into them and pick out the LCCs.

http://www.paris-cdg.com/

http://www.veniceairport.it/?lan=en

http://www.csl.cz/en/frames.htm

http://www.schiphol.nl/
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:41 am

There are few (any?) routes where LCC compete directly with each other between the same two airports. You're therefore restricted by your routing, unless you travel via a third airport. Bear in mind that EasyJet, and probably others, do NOT do connecting flights. If you miss your 2nd flight because the 1st was late, they won't help you.

EasyJet and Ryanair are much of a muchness. Some like them, some don't. EasyJet do tend to fly to more major airports, but sometimes Ryanair actually gets you closer to where you want to be - more than once for me (all depends on *where*, of course!).

Haven't tried Volare. Air 2000 are a charter, I thought?

Try http://www.expedia.com, http://www.travelocity.com for the main airlines, www.queasyjet.com for EasyJet (the link works!), www.ryanair.com for Ryanair. Both of the latter have routemaps.

And, yes, in France try the trains.

Geoff M.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:45 am

If you would be interested in a short visit to Germany, I would recommend you take a detour to Cologne. It's a beautiful city and sure has a lot to offer!
You could take Hapag-Lloyd Express from Venice to Cologne and then fly on Germanwings (German Wings went broke a few years back) onto Prague.
Both have reasonable prices, starting at 19.99€ (about 30.00$) for a oneway ticket. Especially if you book so far in advance you will have a good chance to get a cheap ticket. Service and flight times are also quiet good. HLX operates new 737 aircrafts while Germanwings uses A319/320's.
Have fun on your vacation. Certainly a great itinerary!

FCP
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:46 am

Future:

That's the type of information that I am looking for. Thank you very much.
 
goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:50 am

Scottish - Thank you for the airport links too. That is a good way to find out the airlines that service these airports.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:02 am

I would assume that those would be the cheapest one-way options then:
Paris-Venice: Volareweb (www.volareweb.com)
Venice-Prague: Volareweb (www.volareweb.com)
Prague-Amsterdam: Smartwings (www.smartwings.net)
Amsterdam-Paris: Varig (www.varig.com)

Best regards
Thomas
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:12 am

To complete my last post here are some links that might be helpful:
http://www.germanwings.com
http://www.hlx.com
http://www.stadt-koeln.de/en/koelntourismus/index.html
(Cologne tourism site)


[Edited 2004-03-10 23:23:46]
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:08 am

Petertenthije is right. Varig is flying a 777 between AMS and CHG. I myself did an effort to book this "budget air" flight at and which is 38 Euro return excl. taxes. Never managed to book this flight. Somehow the flight is never available. That pisses me off!

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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:25 am

Cool to hear, You are travelling to Europe...avoid 2 things:

1) Skipping regular airlines, which are sometimes almost as cheap, but hours closer to towns than FR

2) Skipping Germany, Cologne is really a beautiful town, like FutureCGNpilot stated, I will be there early april, but we have more to offer, at least grab Berlin if You can...

Enjoy Your trip
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aviationfreak
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:29 am

Goomba,

Here is a list of LCC's worldwide: http://www.etn.nl/lcostair.htm

Hope this helps. Good luck and happy holiday.

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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:55 pm

Goomba,
Also try Sky Europe (fly between STN and Budapest, STN and Bratislava), and for something quirky, try Iceland Express: daily flights from STN to KEF, and CPH and KEF. We booked return flights for 100 GBP each.
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:19 am

From paris to Venice, try Volareweb. Italian LCC flying from ORY, nice prices if you book in advance (like most of the LCC)
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:38 am


Or you could book tickets for $99 single on europebyair.com- but they have to be booked before you leave the US- unfortunately a quick check and some of the routes are going other places  Smile

May want to maybe train it for part of that itinerary- yes i know that goes against being on this forum- but Amsterdam-Paris shouldnt be too long on a train- i know i did it in a car last year in not too long- 5 hours maybe?
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:49 am

When in Paris, why not fly to Scandinavia? Danish (well, Norwegian-owned!) Sterling (www.sterlingticket.com) operates to Copenhagen (with connections to Oslo and Stockholm - they offer through-fares and baggage-check unlike Ryanair (blah!)) from Paris-Bouvais. There's a plethora of LCCs flying around Europe these days, and with the entry of more Eastern European states into the European Union, more are being set up, like Wizzair (www.wizzair.com) in Poland and Hungary, and Slovakian Sky Europe (www.skyeurope.com). You ought to get out a map of Europe, and start searching the net for airlines in Europe, and compare their route maps. But, don't forget that the traditional airlines in Europe are now fighting back like never before, and although cheapos like Ryanair advertise fares starting at a couple of bucks, they are extremly hard to find, and you might just be better of flying a "real" airline, that will compensate you ifyou're delayed, they loose your luggage or you're offloaded - and they fly from the main airports. If you buy a ticket on Ryanair to Oslo - you end up at Sandefjord, a small town 2,5 hours from the city...
 
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:38 am

Goomba, which airline will you fly transatlantic ? Maybe they can offer a skypass in Europe ? This is just idea  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Another idea is to book a flight+hostel package with a travel agency, it could be nice in september as this is not the peak season...
If you want to travel with LCC, try to avoid weekend flights and also take care about the different airports, for example Beauvais (Ryanair) is 80kms from Paris.
For Amsterdam-Paris, I think the best option is to take the high speed train, the journey is not very long, you are right in the city and you can have a stopover in Brussels if you want...
Have a nice trip.

Regards

jef

PS: don't know if this can help you but here's also another website not mentionned above : www.vbird.com
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goomba
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RE: LCC's In Europe - Which Way Should I Go?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:36 am

It seems like Volare, and EasyJet are the ways to go. By the time I get there, EasyJet will be doing either Orly to AMS or CDG to AMS which is nice. I already know that I can go Orly to Venice on Volare, and then again Volare from Milan to Prague.

I can also take the Varig 777 from AMS to CDG for under $100 US.

Goomba, which airline will you fly transatlantic ?

I am flying on a free SkyMiles award ticket from ATL to CDG (Delta, AirFrance)

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