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Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:26 am

Most members already know this.. but here is the official release  Big thumbs up

http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=1203119213&view=13213-0&Start=0

"Air Canada Increases Non-stop Flights between Montreal and Europe by 50 per cent, Introduces Double Daily Service to Paris, London and Frankfurt this Summer
MONTREAL, March 11 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today announced that in
response to peak summer travel demand, the carrier will launch double daily
non-stop flights from Montréal to both London and Frankfurt this year, and
re-introduce its popular twice daily non-stop flights to Paris. With the
introduction of these new double daily services, Air Canada will increase by
50 per cent the number of flights operating this summer between Montréal and
three of Europe's largest gateway cities. In addition, Air Canada will offer
non-stop flights from Montreal to Vienna and Munich this summer on a codeshare
basis with its Star Alliance partners.
Air Canada will introduce second daily non-stop flights to London on
June 1, 2004, to Paris on June 23 and to Frankfurt on July 1, in addition to
its year round daily non-stop services. The second daily flights will operate
during the peak summer period. All flights will be operated using Boeing 767
aircraft in a two cabin configuration. Air Canada offers a choice of
Hospitality and Executive First premium service on all three routes.
"This is great news for consumers seeking convenient, direct access via
Montréal to Europe from the many communities Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz
serve across Quebec, Atlantic Canada and the north eastern United States,"
said Bill Bredt, Vice President, Network and Revenue Management. "With more
then 50 non-stop flights per week from Montréal to five major European
gateways this summer, Air Canada offers unbeatable choice and value direct to
Europe and points beyond throughout the Star Alliance network."
Air Canada's codeshare flights from Montréal non-stop to Vienna will
begin March 31 operated by Austrian Airlines four times weekly, and its non-
stop flights to Munich will begin June 8 operated by Lufthansa six times
weekly. These codeshare flights offer Aeroplan members the usual Star Alliance
benefits including accumulation of Aeroplan Miles that count toward top tier
status. In total, Air Canada will offer customers up to 52 non-stop flights
per week this summer from Montréal to five European gateway cities."

Mark
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:30 am


Pfff... that's not funny !!?


... but very very good news! I hope to do quite of bit of ops out of YUL this summer  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:35 am

Greg,

You'll be flying the 763... they took all our 333/74's away from us Embarrassment
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:40 am


The 762 is my fav ride. Best designed "kitchen" in the back. The 763 has all four bathrooms in the back and that stupid half galley that you never know what's in it in the middle... urgh... but still a great ride! The 333 cracks too much on rotation (doors, panels), but I must admit much more comfy for the pax... but not a "man's plane".
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:44 am

Just posted a similar topic; hadn't seen this one.

I mentioned Air Canada's strategy of making Montreal a mini-hub plus offering frequency of service rather than size of aircraft.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:24 am

Very misleading Mark, you should go into journalism. Topic heading should read ...

"Air Canada To Double Montreal_Europe Frequency".

Big difference between CAPACITY and FREQUENCY! It just means you'll get less really big planes in YUL and more sort of big planes. Just thought I'd pass that along.  Big grin
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:52 am

Where are all these bloody planes coming from?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:59 am

they took all our 333/74's away from us

The better ones are coming to the YYZ-Spot!!  Big grin

Where are all these bloody planes coming from?

Air Canada is just rotating them and using them more frequently. Even though they actually own less that 10 (correct me if i'm wrong?) They lease many.
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:06 am

This just kind of follows on what Neil said long ago that a lot of AC's expansion will be based on increased frequencies to current distinations. This, instead of adding new destinations. Although, I think at the time he was speaking of YYZ, it seems that this is applying to YUL-Europe this summer.

 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:30 am

Your right.. but thats the AC headline my friend

Where as YUL had about 1035 seats to Europe on a daily basis, YUL will have about 1290, which is up 20% or so.

Mark
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:50 am

Mark, I guess it suggests that Air Canada is doing YUL glossing of their own! Regardless, good news, frequency is more important anyways. I'd rather see a route with 2 767's than 1 A330.
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RE: Air Canada To Operate Only 763's In YUL

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:06 am

This is totally misleading.

YUL-CDG is reducing capacity from last summers 333/763 double daily to this summer's 763/762.

YUL-LHR replaces a daily 333 with 2 763's.

YUL-FRA replaces a daily 74E with 2 763's.

6 daily 763's. Yawn.  Smile

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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:19 am

Bah.. its the intent behind Neil that counts  Big thumbs up

Contrary to your belief, AC is setting up YUL as a secondary hub, and have frequencies timed to relevant connecting banks.

And im bored of the A333 anyway.. we've seen it since 1999  Big thumbs up give us some 763's  Big grin

Mark



 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:26 am

Just three European destinations out of YUL? Pleeeeeeeease!  Big grin
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:42 am

"Just three European destinations out of YUL?"

You are right Nuno. I remember the days when AC was operating flights from YMX/YUL to LIS, MAD, NCE, ZRH, TLV....and I missed a few I am sure. Three destinations only? As I keep asking........What happened? Where did all the pax to ZRH, NCE, etc....go?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:43 am

5.. VIE and MUC if you cant STAR partners  Big thumbs up

 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:47 am

Contrary to your belief, AC is setting up YUL as a secondary hub, and have frequencies timed to relevant connecting banks.

YUL always was a hub. So is YHZ, YWG, YYC, YVR etc. A hub is constituted when any 2 flights connect.

YUL is actually a third hub for AC....after YYZ and YVR.
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:55 am

In terms of departures and arrivals, YUL is number 2 for AC... only slightly behind in terms of capacity.

Mark
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:56 am

Hey hey, don't forget YOW as a HUB....well at least if you are going to LHR! LOL.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:36 am

# 2 to Europe......maybe.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:40 am

Based on Neil's theory, YVR offering connections to Asia, Europe, Central America, USA and Canada.....YUL is way behind. Sad!
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:18 am

That's right, based on Neil's definition, YOW is a hub for AC. We have at least 30 different connection possibilites a day... in the 100s if anyone from YYZ were ever to connect through YOW. Actually, most days 10-15 YYZers connect to our 7F YOW-YFB flights. See were an interline hub and the southern hub for Nunavut! Big grin Can't forget YEG in the hub mix either.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:10 pm

YUL is number 2 for AC... only slightly behind in terms of capacity.

In terms of pax count, YUL is now 4th behind YYC among all airlines.

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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:17 pm

Can't wait to see what numbers Mark finds to prove that YUL is the #2 airport of Canada  Big grin

Just like the post about LIM-YVR/YYZ service. Since YUL won't see a piece of that action, it all of a sudden becomes a "poor decision". Hilarious.

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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:00 pm

The first non-Canadian to contribute to this thread...  Big grin

Just two questions:

1) what is the latest rumour on the YUL-BEY service? Will AC do it?
2) if AC is to shift all of those 333s and 74Es to YYZ, where will they fly to from YYZ?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:56 pm


To answer the first question, if AC had our governement's blessing, they would start service shortly I believe. But that is not the case and after trying to start service last spring, the route has been on hiatus; they were denied permission from our governement for "security reasons".
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:53 pm

Hey Rindt.

I hope you wont cry next time you go to Toronto.....
No doubt one of the funniest things ive heard  Big grin

"Just like the post about LIM-YVR/YYZ service. Since YUL won't see a piece of that action, it all of a sudden becomes a "poor decision". Hilarious. "

-Yes considering that there are about 10 times more Peruvians in Montreal than Vancouver.

-Rindt... if im wrong, I dare you to challenge me. If you think AC flies more planes and more seats into YVR, go ahead and disprove me.

Mark


[Edited 2004-03-12 16:07:13]
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:17 am

If you think AC flies more planes and more seats into YVR, go ahead and disprove me.

Mark, what's your point? You're arguing over which Cdn city is the 2nd largest station for a dying, shrinking airline?

It's the market size that counts. YVR handles 15M pax, YUL about 8M. No comparison.



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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:27 am

Year 2003 puts YVR at around 13.5 mil, and YUL/YMX at 9mil.. the disparity is not so huge, and with YMX transferring into YUL, projections from transport Canada show 12 million pax at YUL by 2010... which is better than planned.


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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:36 am

Mark/Neil, correct me if I am wrong but I thought I read somewhere: Large demand from Asia to South America.....Therefore YVR would be the best hub for those people. Regardless of the Peruvian population of YUL vs YVR. This does not excuse AC or other carriers to not operate YUL-South America flights. I strongly believe that YUL is lacking service (s) to South America. Where did the Ladeco, Varig, Lan Chile and Aerolineas Argentinas YUL pax go?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:44 am

A YVR-LIM flight would require a 763. And your gonna operate a 763 solely on connex pax with little to no local demand?

You can argue that many to do with the hub and spoke system.. but big hubs like AMS/MUC/FRA/LHR/CDG/HKG/NRT/GRU etc. all command a large origin and destination segment, principally where airlines make their money.

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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:47 am

2003 figures:

YVR
14,321,504 (down 3.7% on the year primarily due to the Asian SARS exposure)
The Asian sector is expected to be the one of the fastest areas of recovery in 2004.

YUL
~ 8,000,000 (December figures not available yet)
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:54 am

Year 2003 puts YVR at around 13.5 mil, and YUL/YMX at 9mil.. the disparity is not so huge

That's a 50% difference! Quite huge actually.

projections from transport Canada show 12 million pax at YUL by 2010

YUL will continue to lag other airports in terms of growth due to the poor economic climate in Quebec. YVR wil likely grow faster than YUL, and YYC will as well.
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:54 am

2003 figures are available for YUL. 7,9 million pax throughYUL in 2003(excluding YMX). An increase of 1.3%. Which would bring pax traffic to close to 10 million. Published in Logimonde, Thursday March 11th.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:02 am

Neil, not so sure about the poor Quebec economy! Which Toronto newpaper is influencing you?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Air Canada To Double Montreal-Europe Capacity

Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:49 am

YUL will continue to lag other airports in terms of growth due to the poor economic climate in Quebec

The economic climate in Quebec has been better than in Ontario for the last three years, so leave it alone please. This is absolutely irrelevant is this discussion anyway.
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