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Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:33 am

SAS has, for a long time, operated service from Seattle to Copenhagen. I am curious as to what drives this route? Is there a large Scandinavian community in and around the Pacific Northwest or is there a business link that supports this route? It's just odd that SAS do not fly to LAX, which is a much larger place to command O&D traffic and is a relative hub for UA?

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:38 am

Very few European airlines apart from SAS fly to SEA...I think that the only other one is BA and SAS probably does well on this route as being the only other option and that too a Star Alliance option for pax of the FFP in Europe.

I would think that they are doing well on this route driven by good loads in J class as SEA has BOEING-MICROSOFT-STARBUCKS and a few other big shot MNCs located there.

The route I think is now flown by an A 343 !!!
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:40 am

Yes, BA is the only other European airline that flies nonstop to Europe, but doesn't KLM/Northwest have on-again, off-again service to Amsterdam from Seattle?

 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:40 am

Yes...the Ballard neighborhood just north of the Space Needle is a HUGE Scandinavian community, and there are many others throughout the region.
I suspect the route also benefits from feed from Portland as well.

As far as business contacts go, I don't know all the businesses, but there is an IKEA very close to Sea-Tac, and they surely use the route as well.

I believe that SAS started the route with a DC-10-30, and have also used a 767-300ER, and now it's an A340. Flight 937/938.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:53 am

The NW/KL flight is not off-again/on-again service. That is a daily flight operated by NW with a DC10 for their flight to AMS.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:08 pm

SAS also gets traffic from YVR for this flight. They offer great deals for quite a few destinations in Europe.
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:08 pm

SK has been flying to SEA for along time. It dates back to the DC-8 days.
Washington State, with the possible exception of Minnesota has the largest percentage of Scandinavian-Americans in North America. I am one of them!
The question is, will SK fly to Minneapolis one day.
Seattle is also a vacation spot because of the natural beauty of the area.


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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:15 pm

It has little to do with the fact that Seattle does have a sizeable Scandanavian community. They have been there for a long time, and have a very nice niche in the market. They have been able to make a good name for themselves, and I'm sure most of the traffic is connecting in CPH. They are well known in the Seattle area, which is lacking in non-stops to Europe for a market its size.

Also, everybody always seems to forget that Aeroflot also flies to Seattle from Moscow. For a city that lacks non-stops to Frankfurt and Paris, I've always found it interesting they have non-stops to Copehagen and Moscow.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:22 pm

SK (SAS) used to serve LAX as well, but I belive the route was dropped sometime in the 80's.  Big grin SK endured a loss in Jan '69, a DC-8 out of LAX, going down in the Pacific after take off. I remember that as a kid living in LA. They however, have served SEA for a long time.  Smile
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:32 pm

A large ethnic community is only a small factor in these long haul flights. Its not the Olsen family down the street who makes the SEA-CPH run profitable, its the business travelers. I know a lot of business people in Seattle who swear by SAS. Its kind of a loyalty thing because SK has been around for years and their quality is consistently good.
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:35 am

I've always thought a main reason why SEA has Copenhagen & Moscow non-stops, but no CDG or FRA, is a big part due to geography--The route SEA to CPH (and in a lesser extent to SVO) from SEA provide for more direct connections to most of Europe than say CDG. Here's Snowflake's route map to show what I'm speaking of...


on a side note, I always have wondered which of the Europe n/stops Mr. Gates flies most often? My money's on the SAS, with the niche image they've got going. BA is too much like his own company, a mega-sized main-stream player.

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:53 am

Almost transpolar...

 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:43 am

If SK really wanna fly scandi´s they go for Minneapolis/S:t Paul in MN(?)-ARN/CPH or OSL. There´s alot in Delaware too....
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:15 am

as SEA has BOEING-MICROSOFT-STARBUCKS

Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers  Big grin
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:20 am

"Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers "

Depends what union you belong to Wink/being sarcastic.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:03 am

I as well think that a lot of the reason why Aeroflot and SAS serve Seattle is due to geography. Seattle is actually the closest destination to SVO and CPH on the west coast. It should also be pointed out that the Aeroflot flight continues to SFO. I am wondering, however, why SAS doesn't do this as well, especially since SFO is a huge UA hub.
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:09 am

there is a lot of business-traffic between SEA and Scandinavia, and as its been mentioned, a sizable Scandinavia community there. The reason SAS does not fly to LAX is that its too far. SAS' new A340s can do it range-wise, but to operate a daily non-stop SAS'd need two aircraft, as there'd be no time to do CPH-LAX-CPH in less than 24 hours. CPH-SFO was planned for start-up in May 2002, but then along came Osama...
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:52 am

Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers

I would hardly say that the only Boeing employees left in Seattle are factory workers. Aren't the BCA executives still in Seattle or Everett? Not to mention managers, engineers and the like...
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:56 am

I think no other Star Alliance flight directly from Europe. Flew it 2 years ago, nice nother lights!
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:05 am

There is a large ex. scandinavian population in Seattle. SAS has also served the route to Seattle very well. With excellent service SAS has since long been the preferred airline in the Seattle area for journeys to Europe.

I can agree that Minneapolis St Paul would have been an excellent SAS destination in U.S.A. considering its large ex swedish population. But SAS never went on that route except on charters.

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:18 am

As far as I know SAS will never servie MSP, not because there is no market there but because NW has such a strong hold of MSP. I remember when FI started MSP they did very well and NW saw that since they were the handling agent for FI after a while NW started a direct MSP-OSL on a DC-10 because they saw alot of pax to OSL and to drive FI out of MSP but it didn't work. The reason this works for FI they hub in KEF and have flights from there to Europe. When you take 50 pax to OSL 50 to ARN 30 to KEF and 50 to CPH you fill a 757. But you can't have a direct MSP-OSL with 50 pax one way and expect to make money. If anybody else could tell me who else flies to Europe from MSP besides NW and KLM please let me know.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:35 am

SAS began to fly CPH-LAX in Nov 1954 with DC6Bs, with tech stops in either Greenland or Winnipeg or perhaps both. Don't know when the route was dropped.

Nonstop CPH-SEA began in Oct 1960 with DC8s but SEA svc may have started earlier with DC6B or DC7Cs.

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:14 pm

Dont forget that Poulsbo, WA is a Norweigen town too.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:25 pm

LAX services were the first SAS services to the US west coast. They started with DC-7:s I think and continued with DC-8-33:s via Winnipeg and later nonstop with DC-8-60:s. However Seattle was later I think and started with DC-8:s in 1967. Seattle was also a stop on some of the frequencies to LAX.

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:34 pm

http://www.scandinavian.net/EC/Appl/Home/FrontDoor/0,3479,LNG%253Dda%2526SO%253DAFB53BE6BF464692_9665BAFBC6EE34AD%2526MKT%253DDK,00.html

or go to www.sas.dk, choose About SAS, then SAS History and then SAS Milestones, you can see it all

milestones 1952 and 1954

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:07 pm

I took the SEA-CPH for the first time way back in the 70s on the DC-10-30!

"as well think that a lot of the reason why Aeroflot and SAS serve Seattle is due to geography. Seattle is actually the closest destination to SVO and CPH on the west coast. It should also be pointed out that the Aeroflot flight continues to SFO. I am wondering, however, why SAS doesn't do this as well, especially since SFO is a huge UA hub."

The reason why this one does not have a continuation to SFO or LAX is that the flight times allow for a CPH-SEA-CPH cycle to be less than 24 hrs allowing one aircraft to get the job done. A continuation to SFO or LAX would require more aircraft and besides the feeder traffic (from UA and AS) up and down the west coast is fine to fill the SEA-CPH flight anyway. As for Aeroflot I dunno. . .

"Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers"

Wrong! Obviously you have never been to KSEA on a weekday morning! Where do you think all the engineers, designers and staff are at. . . And yes they fly all the time all over the planet from KSEA! If your B7X7 breaks down with something out of the ordinary where do you think the engineer and the parts are coming from? Not some bean-counter in Chicago. . . and they do fill the J seats quite often with FF upgrades.
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:51 pm

"Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers"

Wrong! Obviously you have never been to KSEA on a weekday morning! Where do you think all the engineers, designers and staff are at. . . And yes they fly all the time all over the planet from KSEA! If your B7X7 breaks down with something out of the ordinary where do you think the engineer and the parts are coming from? Not some bean-counter in Chicago. . . and they do fill the J seats quite often with FF upgrades.


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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:07 pm

GOT, that's where I live
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:56 pm

Seattle= Microsoft+a ton of other IT companies, many associated with MS.

Scandinavia= Region in which IT companies like to test new concepts, have development labs and generally sell a lot of product relative to population.

Scandinavia tends to be ahead of the rest of the world in tech since manpower costs are extremely high. If you count all the taxes, and the difficulty in laying off employees, Scandinavia probably has the highest cost of employment in the world. A high tech base results in things like the highest mobile phone saturation in the world, and the high-end nature of the server market.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:10 am

SK's flying to SEA does have anything to do with Microsoft nor Starbucks. SK was flying to SEA many, many years before either company was started.
It is due to the population of Scandinavians. If not for this fact, SK would most likely be flying to SFO or LAX (like they used to do). Being part of Star Alliance, passengers can continue to other destinations with UA, while SK gets to enjoy good utilization on the CPH - SEA flight due to once again the Scandinavians doing business or pleasure in the Northwest.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:58 am

SEA is simply the US west coast destination which is closest to Scandinavia. And CPH-SEA-CPH can be done within 24 hours.

For the SK SEA route, SEA is nothing but a stepping stone. From there you can go to anywhere on the west coast with US carriers.

A very high percentage of Scandinavian pax to SEA will continue on a US carrier to for instance SFO, LAX or elsewhere in the western USA. Denver, Hawaii or whatever. Only a minor fraction has Seattle as their final destination.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:27 pm

. If anybody else could tell me who else flies to Europe from MSP besides NW and KLM please let me know.

Nobody but FI, NW and KL. Unfortunately, as I'd love to see SK here.
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:57 pm

'' Only a minor fraction has Seattle as their final destination.''

A minor fraction of 60-70 percent ... or more. SEA is not the gateway you describe. Sure - there are connections to YVR, California and other destinations, but most pax originate or end their trip in SEA.

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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:10 pm

SAS US-routs are SEA/Chicago/JFK??? Have I missed anyone? Nolonger LAX?
A333X flies this routs, right, and not A343X (Far East & Asia)?
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:22 pm

Solnabo

SAS havent been flying to JFK and LAX since the eigthies.  Smile
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I was informed by a colleague during a business meeting this morning that Jet Blue will be doing modifications to some gates at JFK to accommodate the A380. The reason for that being that Jet Blue will be forming an alliance with a major European carrier for international flights. He could not name the carrier. Is this true? Has anyone heard anything about this?
 
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:36 am

Uh VC10BOAC, I seriously hope that you're joking. Either that or your colleague is COMPLETELY full of shit. Thanks for the laugh though!
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RE: Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?

Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:43 am

Solnabo, transatlantic routes are a mix of 330s and 340s.
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