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KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:36 pm

I read this morning in another thread that KLM is planning on returning to ATL from AMS using a 767-300ER. According to the thread, this is because of NWA's new alliance with the SkyTeam.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I hope this is the case. It will be nice to see that baby blue livery here again.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:41 pm

That information has to be false. I just checked klm.com and cood find no reports on KL starting AMS-ATL service. Whoever wrote that last post is pulling everybodies leg.
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:41 pm

That information has to be false. I just checked klm.com and could find no reports on KL starting AMS-ATL service. Whoever wrote that last post is pulling everybodies leg.
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:45 pm

According to the KLM/NW downloadable timetable:

ATL-AMS
KL622 B767 1725 0805+1 daily

AMS-ATL
KL621 B767 1030 1440 daily

Appears to start end of October.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:48 pm

Nickofatlanta

I think that is a code-share with Delta (DL039/038) who operate 763 on the route. Also the flight times are exactly the same.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:53 pm

Horus -
I thought the same thing, but whilst the flight times are similar, they are not identical.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:54 pm

Nickofatlanta-
I think you're right, maybe DL is changing their winter schedule on the route
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:55 pm


It is true!!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040315/0819000408_2.html


AMSTERDAM -(Dow Jones)- KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (NYSE:KLM - News) NV , in cooperation with Northwest Airlines, will start daily roundtrip service between Amsterdam and Atlanta, Georgia, in the southern United States, at the start of the 2004/05 winter schedule on Sunday, Oct. 31, 2004, the Dutch airline said Monday.

KLM will deploy Boeing 767-300ER equipment on this route.

KLM suspended service on the Atlanta route shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001, responding to a sharp decline in traffic. Now that the economy is recovering slightly and traffic is gaining momentum, the route has become viable once more.

In addition, Atlanta is the main hub of future SkyTeam partner Delta Air Lines. It is expected that traffic will increase sharply on the hub-to-hub connection between Amsterdam and Atlanta.

Atlanta itself is a key business center and home to enterprises such as Coca Cola and CNN. The Netherlands is one of the leading foreign investors in the state of Georgia, with major holdings in the real estate sector, among other things.
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:13 pm

Yes, it is true. KLM just confirmed this news personally when I called, though it still is not published at their Corporate website.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:13 am

Just came out on yahoo Aviation news

http://biz.yahoo.com/n/y/y0002.html

Dow Jones Business News
KLM To Resume Amsterdam-Atlanta Service In Oct
Monday March 15, 8:19 am ET


Edited Press Release
AMSTERDAM -(Dow Jones)- KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (NYSE:KLM - News) NV , in cooperation with Northwest Airlines, will start daily roundtrip service between Amsterdam and Atlanta, Georgia, in the southern United States, at the start of the 2004/05 winter schedule on Sunday, Oct. 31, 2004, the Dutch airline said Monday.

KLM will deploy Boeing 767-300ER equipment on this route.

KLM suspended service on the Atlanta route shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001, responding to a sharp decline in traffic. Now that the economy is recovering slightly and traffic is gaining momentum, the route has become viable once more.

In addition, Atlanta is the main hub of future SkyTeam partner Delta Air Lines. It is expected that traffic will increase sharply on the hub-to-hub connection between Amsterdam and Atlanta.

Atlanta itself is a key business center and home to enterprises such as Coca Cola and CNN. The Netherlands is one of the leading foreign investors in the state of Georgia, with major holdings in the real estate sector, among other things.


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KLM-returning To Atlanta?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:46 am

This is true indeed. But word goes amongst colleagues that this is in exchange
for giving up the MIA route to NW again !
I'd prefer MIA to stay rather instead of ATL
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:52 am

This is true indeed. But word goes amongst colleagues that this is in exchange
for giving up the MIA route to NW again !
I'd prefer MIA to stay rather instead of ATL


There had been rumours for a long time that KL would handover the MIA route back to NW when NW got more A330s. Maybe it will become true...

Though the current winter 2004/2005 schedule for MIA-AMS on KLM is 3x 767/4x MD11 through the end of December, then it becomes a daily MD11.
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:08 am


What are the schedules like with KL and NW between AMS and NW's US hubs? Frequency, Aircraft Type, etc would be appreciated (please indicate when there is a code-share). I know that the KL/NW partnership is one of the oldest alliances around, dating back to the early 90s.
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:33 am

Will AMS-MEM still run? I thought KL switched the AMS-ATL to AMS-MEM as MEM is a NW hub.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:14 am

I hope this is the case. It will be nice to see that baby blue livery here again.

I agree...ATL is becoming dull, dull, dull with all the DL livery and 2-holers.
 
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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:45 am

Horus, this summer:
AMS-DTW 4x daily NW 333
AMS-MSP 2x daily NW D10, 1x daily KL M11
AMS-MEM 1x daily NW D10


Did DL already announced their winter plans for ATL-AMS and JFK-AMS?

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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:51 am

Scramjet- AMS-MEM will still run as it is operated by Northwest. Don't quote me, as I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe NW got the MEM-AMS route by giving up the IAD-AMS route to KL.

Horus- All flights between the US and AMS on NW and KL are codeshares, so I'll just break it down into which airline operates which route. These breakdowns are for the new (effective 3/28) schedule.


NW operates

2x MSP-AMS
4x DTW-AMS
1x SEA-AMS
1x BOS-AMS
and 1x MEM-AMS

KL operates (1x unless noted)

LAX-AMS
SFO-AMS
MSP-AMS
IAH-AMS (9x weekly)
JFK-AMS (11x weekly)
EWR-AMS
IAD-AMS
ORD-AMS
MIA-AMS


As usual, this is subject to change. It'd be nice to see NW operating the MIA-AMS route again as MAH4546 suggests may happen, especially if the new A330s can make an appearance in South Florida.


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RE: KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:52 am

KLM has wanted to return to the ATL-AMS route - the lack of service to ATL is a major gap in its transatlantic route system. The return to ATL makes sense since KLM and DL will soon both be part of the SkyTeam family and more seats will be needed to connect these two very important hubs......as soon as all of the details are worked out, I would expect that both the DL and KL service will be codeshares. I would also expect that once the expanded SkyTeam is up and running, that KL will quickly upgrade the 763 to a larger type to increase cargo capacity on the route.