AR385
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The Future Of Colombia

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:11 pm

I have a proposition. Let's see if we can agree on it. I believe that the thread "The future of Latin America" was hugely successful, and a good change from the usual threads on this site. Why don't we discuss a Latin American or even from other continent country each week, of course, mainly with a.netters from that country telling us about the aviation scene on that week's country. I know some countries from Latin America were covered very well, but others weren't

I decided this week to start with Colombia. Let's vote next Tuesday on which other country to discuss.

Martin
 
JFernandez
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:55 pm

The future of air transport and tourism there is directly related to the amount of rebel and other criminal activity in the country.
 
navega
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:23 pm

Colombia is one of the most beautiful countries in Latin America with some of the nicest and most educated people.

Sadly, the problems with the rebels and the media coverage we see here in the States, shadows the good.

I was there early in the year and I was pleasantly surprized
and the kindness of it's people and the natural beauty and
moderness of its country.

Avianca is a good airline and deserves to continue as the
countries flag carrier.

 
AR385
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:34 pm

So, jfernandez

What are your scenarios. Assuming rebel activity stops, what do you think will happen to AVIANCA or Alianza Summa, whatever that thing was,? What if rebel activity increases? And the other airlines?
 
bongo
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:48 pm

On the local newspaper today:

Avianca got a new record in punctuality: 98.3% (that means, according to the newspaper, almost 0 minutes of delays in departures), the highest in the last 84 years.
Next week I will fly MDE-MIA in AV's 757... I can't wait to see the truth about it.


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wimpycol
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:43 am

Well maybe we can discuss this topic again after we know what really will happen with Avianca.

AV is the main subject on the future of Colombian aviation. Maybe a new take over by Continental or TACA.... and hopefully some new start ups of Fenix and others. Personally I hope that AV can recover and that it will grow to their status that they once have had. Lets see what the next months will bring us!

Bongo.. nice info that you found on AV. Well I can tell you that they where extremely punctually when I traveled with them last year.. I almost lost my plane on the PEI - BOG route with them last year because of my late arrive
We also landed before scheduled time.. ok it was a domestic flight but service etc was extremely good... comparing some airliners here in Europe.... KLM would wish they have a rate of 98.3 % klm...dream on!!!

Well Colombia has currently a bad situation with the rebels and also a low economy.. But WCA, Aerorepublica and Aires are doing and well don't forget Tampa Colombia they will get 4 767's later on this year. Even AV has added 3 more 757's to their fleet and started a charter route MAD-Cartagena-MAD

And maybe with a better economy ahead (at the end of last year Colombia had the best economic grow in Latin America) and Uribe (president) who's working for a better Colombia (and not for himself liked other presidents in the history of Colombia) Colombian aviation can grow fast in the near future.

Well BOG has big planes to make El Dorado a bigger airport before 2025. I hope they can do it.

Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:54 am

Wimpycol,

"Maybe a new take over by Continental or TACA"

If Avianca had to be taken over by other airline to survive, Continental would be a better option rather than TACA. Among many reasons, I tell you one. There have been many instances where Colombian bussinessmen have had troubles to get visas to get to certain Central American countries. Why would a businessman have to have trouble to go to a poorer country than his/her? Easy, It is a hidden policy to discourage foreign competition with their local companies.
If Taca takes over, there wouldn't be any surprise when Avianca is left behind and sacrificed in favor of the Centro American one.
Soar the blue of the South American Sky
 
yultopei
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:24 am

I think AV survive the hard time. So many airlines have financial problems.
I flew AV, SAM and Aces A320 (one of the more comfortable and clean). Service was excellent and I like the dress of the Stewart...

NAVEGA said:
Colombia is one of the most beautiful countries in Latin America with some of the nicest and most educated people.
kindness of it's people and the natural beauty and
moderness of its country.

I agree:
Colombia is my second country. Is never like you can read or listen.
If you don't go you never can realize the potential of this country!!!
Viva Colombia

Regards
PEI in Colombia!!!. [Canon T2i]
 
Summa767
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:28 am

YULtoPEI, you have said it.. Colombia has great potential for the future.
Even now, with the economy growing at 4%, and better sense of security, air travel can grow steadily. In the longer term, and assuming a peace settlement we can look forward to a surge in travel fueled by a consequent ecomomic boom.
If Avianca survives Ch 11, there is room for growth in its international network too. Colombian location makes it a good connection point for people traveling between South and Central and North America. Just some years ago Avianca had a nice network from Europe too, that connected LHR, CDG, FRA and MAD with BOG for onward connections to South America. Only the MAD remains. It was just not sustainable as there were not many people willing to travel to Colombia. On the contrary, there was an exodus from the country at the time. From now on, we should see the reversal of that exodus. People who have settled in other countries start going back, even if just to visit. We are already seeing the return of charter flights from Spain to Cartagena. I can envisage Canada and Italy following suit.
As Shakira says... welcome to the good times.
 
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:59 am

Do you think if President Uribe's tactics and anti-guerilla war, as well as his battle against drug trafficking we can have an incident like the one who brought down AV 203 (HK-1803) with a bomb? What is the security like in the Colombian airports nowadays?
 
bongo
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:14 am

On the local newspaper today (Thursday):

Copa is looking for more frequencies to and from Colombia, especially To/From Medellin, Cali and Bogota. In addition they want to launch Cartagena City through two programs called "Copa Convention" and "Copa vacations" to bring both business and vacation passengers to our Caribbean city.

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bongo
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:26 am

Talking about Avianca, there's another opened topic in the forum:

" Oil group Sinergy of Brasil will acquire 75% of Avianca. Valores Bavaria will relinquish its share in the company, but 25% will be kept by Colombia's Coffee Growers Federation. Sinergy will capitalize Avianca with US $ 64 million. "
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soamsky
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:28 am

"Do you think if President Uribe's tactics and anti-guerilla war, as well as his battle against drug trafficking we can have an incident like the one who brought down AV 203 (HK-1803) with a bomb? What is the security like in the Colombian airports nowadays?"

Terrorism poses the same threat to developed as to undeveloped countries as well Just as we have been reminded with the train bombing in Madrid. France, right now, raised the level of threat from orange to red; and so, I believe that Colombia, having had to deal with this kind of issue for so long, has implemented important security measures to avoid a tragedy like the one you mentioned. Definitely security is an issue that has to be looked at and reviewed carefully in a country like Colombia, and not only at Bogotá airport.
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soamsky
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:34 am

Bongo,

Does Colombia have a law as far as the limit of shares held by a foreign investor in a national airline?
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bongo
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:27 am

SoAmSky:

I guess no, since is now a fact, I saw it in the news, Av has been sold to Oil group synergy of Brazil , they paid USD 64 million for 75% of the company, the rest 25% belongs to The Colombia Coffee Growers Association (Former owners of ACES)
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:48 am

Bongo-

question for you my friend,

do you know if Giradot (the town where I was born) have commercial air service? I have looked on AV maps and did not see it......

Andrew
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:21 am

Bongo,

So AV has been sold today? That's news! Is it good or bad that in particular that company got AV?
 
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:30 am

Foxecho: I guess there is no commercial service between those two cities, since Girardot is so close to BOG, everybody uses main roads.

AR385: IMO it is good news, it's foreign investment and it a salvation to Av, and the best of all: Colombian Coffee growers association still keep a 25% (Both Colombian Coffee growers and and Av are two of the most admired companies in my Country).
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:58 am

Hello

Foxecho:
Do you want to go back to Girardot soon?
As Bongo just mentioned (thanks!) the BOG-Girardot route is mainly used by road. It's also only 2 hours (Guamo 3) and Ibague 4 and by Flota or the new KIA's its also very cheap comparing to air travel.
The last 9 years I travel frequently by road between BOG-Girardot/Guamo/Ibague and by air - to Armenia/Pereira/ Manizales and Cali
I was thinking a lot to travel by air to Girardot and Ibague from BOG, but it's so fast by road.
Example... when your in BOG and want to fly... you first must go to El Dorado.. couple of hours... then the flight and also some time to arrive at your final destination..... so the same time by road!
Also since Uribe is working for a better Colombia... the main roads are safer comparing to the past. And in the next years they planning to build a new tunnel on the BOG- Girardot route so maybe no more El Nariz de diablo in the near future (2007)

Found this on the Aires site
comparing to this flight map....http://www.aires.com.co/mapa_rutas/default.asp they fly BOG-Girardot but maybe the map is bit dated... I think Giradot only has some little private jets.

Hope this help you.

saludos
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: The Future Of Colombia

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:10 am

SoAmSky

Thanks for your info.
I agree with you on..... Definitely security is an issue that has to be looked at and reviewed carefully in a country like Colombia, and not only at Bogota airport... I think BOG, Cali, and Medellin has good security, but little airports like PEI, MZL and others can do better.
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!

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