UTA_flyinghigh
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Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:50 pm

I am getting a lot of emails after putting this one up :

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It's no the first time, and even though I enjoy getting feedback from my pics, I don't have the time to reply individually for 20/30 emails stating the same thing.
So I'm creating this thread so that I can refer to it for future correspondance.

1) France have the particularity of still allowing 3rd party cockpit visits in flight; in most other countries, laws have been passed to make this illegal.
So unfortunately, if you are a US or UK resident and do not work for the airline, forget about it. You make get a cockpit visit on the ground, but not whilst airborne.

2) Even if you fly AF, don't expect to have it unless you can prove you are one of the following :
- Non-rev airline employee
- Private/student/etc... pilot with aviation-related FOID.
Personal relation to an AF crewmember can help, but it's not a guarantee.

3) Expect to undergo some questioning from the Captain to assess whether you are a bona fide enthuisast or not.

4) Even if you do get it, the flight crew might not grant you the right to take pictures. The fact that I get nice flightcrews on nearly every occasion is pure luck.

5) The Captain is the boss onboard and therefore the jumpseat is at his or her discretion; the final word thus resides with him/her.
So if you want it, ask the skipper directly.

Finally, you may be asked to leave your belongings in the cabin and of course, there are general rules of etiquette while in the seat; do not speak unless spoken to, do not create distractions and strap on your harness as soon as in the seat and do not unbuckle until told to.
Expect that you will not get the usual meal service, either.

I don't mean to be rude by creating a generic answer, but my mailbox is clogging up  Smile

UTA



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Londoncenter
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:55 pm

Not sure if I got it because of my job but I flew SAS into Copenhagen last year and spent almost the entire journey on the flight deck chatting with two very friendly pilots, one of whom even pointed out his house on the approach!!
 
747spa330md11
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:00 pm

Hi,
I asked several times at Lufthansa, Hapag-Lloyd, KLM and Korean Air
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definitely no chance anymore I guess

best regards
jan
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:16 pm

Have flown in jump seat on Malmö Aviation since 9/11. Actually I visited the cockpit after landing once and talked about jump seating.

Captain: "So why didn't you ask? We enjoy visits."
Me: "But I thought after 9/11.."
Captain: "Well yeah... But we're a Swedish domestic airline, for crying out loud. The threat environment isn't really THAT bad."
Me (kicking myself): "Ok..."

Next time, I was up there for most of the flight, including a kick-ass landing at Bromma.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
SK973
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:05 am

I've found that it still more up to the captain if they want visitors in the front than any rules after 9/11.

Going back and forth between Stockholm and Singapore I've been on jumpseat in one SAS A340 and a Swiss MD-11.

But on an AF 777 the captain simply said they didn't want visitors there. The message delivered by an F/A who repeatedly said how sorry she was and actually said that this is a particularly grumpy captain! LOL Big grin

I've been thinking of asking on one of the 744 (BA,QF,TG,LH) since I've never been in the cockpit of a 747 but those times I've been too tired there late at night to ask...

It might help that I'm a nonreving airline employee who spends a lot of time at work behind the sticks(not the real planes though...  Big grin ).
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:57 am

OK..so if I understand correct AF will still allow per Captain approval,yes? I fly jumpseat on AS all the time, but being an empoyee of course its easy. I want to fly to Europe this summer and I useally take AF. Guess I'll have to ask!

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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:11 am

I'm on AF BOS-CDG (A330) on September 4th. I guess I will have to ask the captain if I can jumpseat.
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:23 am

I've been on the jumpseat after 9/11 too...

4U 765 ... Germanwings flight from ZRH to CGN. Wasn't a problem to get the permission at all, but I won' tell my trick  Wink/being sarcastic

regards, Florian
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:51 am

I've flown up front on AF twice. In fact it was the ticket counter agent who gave me permission. They actually give you a boarding pass that says jumpseat. It was great. THe pilots were very friendly.
 
meister808
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:04 am

Really? That is awesome. Can you do that in U.S. airspace, or does it have to be outside of that?

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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:07 am

yeah I'm prtty sure its just over in Europe do you get that treatment. I love it. Every time I fly them over there if its not a long flight I try and get up in the pit
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:10 am

several months ago, I was on a delta flight from atl into lga. The flight seemed at least 95% full. I was hanging out at the gate waiting to board when it seemed that an off duty delta pilot requested the jump seat to lga. It seemed that the gate agent/supervisor, after checking credentials and verifying employment, OK'd the request.

Once on the plane and sitting in first class, I witnessed the off duty pilot enter the flight deck. sometime later, right before push back, the off duty pilot exited the flight deck (didnt look to happy) and went to a seat in coach.

It was my assumption that its Delta's policy not to allow anyone, not even employees, to ride inside the flight deck if your not the F/O or Capt working the flight?
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:13 am

I've noticed lots of pilots who request the jumpseat, but if there is a seat open in coach (thats not a middle seat) they will go back there and sit once the door is shut and no more pax coming down. A little more comfortable, plus they dont get the rush like others do from sitting up htere day in and day out.
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:02 am


A lot of the restrictions imposed on carriers was created by a foreign country so don't blame the respective airlines for some 'third party' intervention!


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DLH404
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:27 am

I sat on the jumseat on AF023 JFK-CDG for takeoff and some while inflight, then moving back into business class  Smile
Flightcrew was really amazing, they made jokes n stuff. Liked that I was there, they said it can be really boring on long flights.

I also have to say that some friends of AF brought me up there. Without their help it would have been really really difficult I guess.
But Air France is always worth a try, good to have some ID or business card with you.

Bye

Jan
 
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:31 am

With KLM no chance....
only flightcrew is allowed.
 
globetrekker
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:23 pm

Fkruiver is so right; only flightcrew allowed and I should know I am part of KLM groundcrew at an outstation and I am not allowed. The only time I see the cockpit is when I am working and have to deliver the loadsheet to the captain on board prior to departure.

That's just the way it is....

Happy Flying all,

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AFROTC
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:31 pm

hehe Go airforce, for me its an easy thing i had pilots actually ask me if i wanted an incentive flight. Im looking forward to one next month actually. Being a cadet has its perks....
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:56 am

After reading the replies, it appears that AF is the #1 airline when it comes to giving out jumpseat privileges (at least amongst the majors).
 Big thumbs up to AF flightcrews for not giving in to stupid regulations and relying on common sense instead.

UTA
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yegger
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:57 pm

I think this link is very relevant, and will certainly answer some questions about this topic. Too bad it's gone this far, and that this option is slowly slipping away.........

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/03/19/cockpit.doors.ap/index.html
 
DeltaGuy
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RE: Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:03 pm

It was my assumption that its Delta's policy not to allow anyone, not even employees, to ride inside the flight deck if your not the F/O or Capt working the flight?

Naw, not even close.....all Delta/Delta Connection pilots have full jumpseat priveledges within Delta. They used to not be able to (early 90's), but I routinely see guys riding the jumpseat...oftentimes it's the only one available! He left the cockpit probably because the Captain said there was a seat in the back he could have...many pilots prefer that, as they don't have to sit in a jumpseat and observe sterile cockpit, etc etc, no snack....stuff they've been doin for the past 3-4 days. I've been in the cockpit before p/b, seen pilots come up, show their credentials, then just go plop down in back..normal thing!

Beautiful shots though..as soon as I get my passport, I'll get out there and try it myself...flash the shiney non-rev ID  Big thumbs up

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