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Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:44 am

Looking at all the things airline employees seem to get away with in this thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1459389/4/


just got me wondering,

What exactly has to happen for an employee to get fired? I mean, I know the usual stuff, like absenteeism, drug use, bla, bla, bla...but I mean as far as smart-mouthing to deserving pax. Big grin
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:52 am

2 x Missed trips will get you fired, stealing company property will get you fired. The union cannot help you in either of these cases.

Nor should they

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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:55 am

Giving the finger to the camera at customs........hehehe Smile/happy/getting dizzy (no body does it better than AA!)



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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:32 am

"What exactly has to happen for an employee to get fired?"

Look, if those smartmouthing ACTUALLY happened, am sure they are rare. Then am sure a lot of us say things in our heads but we won't actually say it in front of passengers. So a little venting in an Internet forum is actually an healthy thing.

If a supervisor caught someone smartmouthing in front of a passenger, he may get a warning, and after a few repeat performances he then may get fired. But no (few) employees are gonna be that dumb. If he did, he got some REAL issues no matter where he works.

By the way, supervisors understand the nature of the job and knows agent has to put up with unreasonable passengers and will let it go if the employee vents a little in the seclusion of the break room.

As passengers, there is a tendency to look down on airline workers. Don't, allow us do our jobs, then we will be fine.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:24 am

Also, you can't really get into trouble for being a smart-ass. Being openly rude or hostile is one thing, but the "Do you know who I am?" followed by the agent's "Ladies and Gentlemen, if you can identify the man at the podium, please let us know - he doesn't know who he is" doesn't necessarily constitute being openly rude to the customer.

Either way, you'd have to get several instances of openly rude or hostile treatment of customers before you'd be in for any disciplinary action - and even then, it wouldn't be termination.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:27 am

Brokering illegal tickets/passes will do it.

Any racial "harassment" will do it.

Being stupid and obnoxious while Non Reving works good.

Calling in sick and bragging about it to the passenger next to you has done it - the passenger was the employees new manager. Gone.

Causing bags to misconnect three times gets their attention.

Fighting with fellow employees gets results.

Hitting an aircraft with a 2 tone tractor works.

Telling a manager he's a twit works unless you have LOTS of proof but that still won't get your job back as then he's got you for insubordination.

Begging your manager while at the bar to drive you to the local whorehouse for a party then calling in sick the next day to that same manager HAS worked.

Pitching stolen toilet paper over the security fence at night to your family and getting surrounded by the police gets action.

Using your passes in your "other job" as a pimp to bring girls in over the state line helps.

Shagging your managers wife just gets real complicated.

Marrying his daughter then cheating on her in front of the Dad aint too bright but it does work.

Having the casino call your boss to pick you up because you threw up and passed out on the blackjack table WHILE wearing your uniform may not get you that ride but you will get canned.

Man I could go on forever but these are a few tried and proven ways I've seen.



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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:35 pm

Being sick 3 times in a year will get you the axe at my airline. Along with the usual stuff.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:56 pm

It is really hard to get canned at an airline, as long as you show up and do your job, kind of, they will keep you. There is really no proof of someone doing something wrong as long as the plane departs on time, and thats the key. Where I work it really dosen't matter what you do in the spare time between flights, as long as when one comes in your there to work it. The only real way to get canned where I work is to not show up for work and not call to tell them you won't be there, but even then it has to happen 3 times before your out. In my opinion they are way to laid back on enforcing the rules
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:53 pm

Calling into work sick then non-revving on the same day to some destination WILL get you the axe for sure. Ouch! Thats something that you could never get away with in this industry. The Pass Bureau keeps track of every flight you took as a non-rev.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:06 pm


Sleeping or giving the appearance of sleeping.

Drinking alcohol or being in a liquor store or bar while in the company uniform.

Being convicted of a felony

Most employees get canned as a result of "unacceptable dependability" aka calling in sick too much.

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking"
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:24 pm

There are a few ways, but fortunately airline personnel as a whole are in the business because they actually have the ability to diplomatically correct a problem while following guidelines. Pax, on the other hand, are too diverse to lump in any one category. Some people yell at each other at home, in public etc. and see no reason not to verbally or physically abuse strangers in an airport setting. There is an ample supply of people waiting to get into airline jobs, so weeding out the bad ones usually starts with the application process. Not to say I haven't seen a few that needed a reality check, but by setting good examples you can usually lead by example. Obvious infractions-yelling at someone in a position to do something about it (supervisor/manager). We're all human too so before you lay into one of us, remember 99% will try and help you before we lose it too  Smile
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:18 pm

sleeping on the job? Nothing like taking a short nap while waiting on bags.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:19 pm

If you work at Fedex, then breaking into the cockpit on a flight, and welcoming the Captain and First officer on board with an axe also seems to be a good pay to get fired.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:54 pm

Getting fired from an airline is like getting fired from anywhere else.

Dishonesty - stealing, lying etc
Drugs use
Over Indulgence in Alcohol, so much that it affects your performance
Violence etc

The latter three are strictly "Zero Tolerance" in my company. I think working for an airline can me more challenging that most places. At times perfection is expected of you. Can you imagine having a terrible day at home, problems with the family, the girlfriend, whatever the case may be and you have to come to work and smile for a customer. Worse yet, you have to calm down an irrate, absolutely unreasonable, incredibly annoying, idiotic passenger? And you yourself being upset from before? It takes a lot. But we do it.. Hats off to everyone in the customer service industry.

I think i strayed from the topic.. OH yeah.. we can get fired by doing wrong thing... LOL  Smile
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:19 am

Driving away from a plane after you finish fueling while still being hooked up to that aircraft. It's been done before. (Not by me).
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:46 am

cv640:

You mean calling in sick three times will get you fired! Good way to motivate people to come in when they are sick and spread their germs to co-workers. Or a good way for someone to get hurt or hurt someone else. I'm sure if an individual did get terminated for this they could find an attorney to take their case.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:49 am

Smuggling drugs on your companies aircraft is another good way to get canned. Also a good way to end up in a cell for the next 10-25 years.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:53 am

While I can understand the company's desire to reduce absenteeism, it occurs to me that it would be difficult to terminate an employee for calling in sick, provided that they were using contractually-earned sick time.

If you're under a collective bargaining agreement and have sick time as an earned benefit, use of that benefit should not result in disciplinary action.

I can see terminating someone for excessive absences if they don't have anymore sick leave, or if they don't have it as a contractually-earned benefit - but otherwise, using sick time should be no worse than using any other benefit.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:57 am

So, what you're saying is that writing a thank you note about the flight attendant taking the time to sit and have a cocktail with a passenger on my long flight was NOT a good idea? It's actually happened...and yes, they got the axe...
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:29 am

F/As, like pilots, are supposed to be sober on the job. That means NO alcohol, not a drop.
If the F/A had a soda while the passenger had a cocktail would probably have done nothing, but alcohol is a big nono.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:46 am

Our sick policy is three excused times in 12 calender months. An excsued one is one with a doctors note and meeting with the base maneger. If you don't do both you get a miss trip, 2 in a year and your fired. 3 sick call in a year and you can be terminated because the company feels you are not physically able to do the job. Whether or not you could win a law suit is questionable, at least that is what the ALPA attorneys feel. They believe you could, but no one wants to risk it. Especially with it taking years to get to court and in that time being unemployed. Being fired in this industry can make getting another job almost impossible. So, again, no one wants to risk it.

Our contract of course has sick time in it, but no language preventing what is going on right now. The only language we have is that the compnay must reimburse us for all cost of the doctors visit; co pay, etc.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:51 am

Doing cookies on the ramp in the lecktro and getting caught will do it.

Hitting an aircraft with ground equipment will do it.

being late repeatedly will do it.

Being rude while non-reving will do it.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:58 am

I guy I worked with years ago, parked a 727 at the wrong gate and caused a lot of problems for ground support as well as passengers waiting to board. He was givin three days off. The first day back he did it again(no kidding!). Exit one employee....
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:43 am

SFOFF,Can't walk into a liquor store in uniform? I don't see why not,you're not consuming . I do it all the time on my way home from work - albiet not from an airline.......
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:06 am

Lying about technical issues conserning a specific aircraft will also get you canned!
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:28 am

A FA falling asleep in the Galley while on duty.
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:01 am

cv640:

I take it this means three separate "incidents" and not three days in a row.

You know what amazes me about airline management. They harass you on your sick time while at the same moment complain about the rising cost of health care. To me dragging yourself to the doctor for a cold or the flu is the dumbest thing in the world. Number one your not helping yourself by going out anyway. Number two the doctor is going to tell you "You have a cold/flu, go home and get some rest." Unless you have some puss coming out of your ears there's not much a doctor can do. After you leave the doctors staff fills out the insurance paper work and bill your carrier. So all that was accomplished was adding one more expense to health care costs.

That's all for now, I'm done venting.

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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:31 am

Lots of things could push the final button, but I would say that failing a drug test would be one of the quickest ways to go out the door.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:40 am

>>>SFOFF,Can't walk into a liquor store in uniform? I don't see why not,you're not consuming . I do it all the time on my way home from work - albeit not from an airline.......<<<<<

It's all about the image. You walk into a liquor store and see a guy in a UAL uniform buying a six pack and a bottle of JD. How do you know if this guy is on the way to work or on the way home. You start to wonder if this guy buying alcohol is going to work on or even be flying the plane. The employee might not be consuming, heck he may just be there to get a Coke and a Snickers, but just the thought of someone getting the impression that airline workers are drunks is not the image that the company wants to put forward.



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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:42 am

I'm sure backing a couple planes into each other will get you fired pretty quickly too.  Smile
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:05 am

One thing that might get you fired is not realizing that the seventies are over and that costs must be cut to support families flying to MCO for $150 a person. Also, receiving a big money salary from a federally guaranteed loan could also get you fired...the truth will be revealed in a matter of months.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:09 am

Joining the mile high club while on duty will probably get you fired  Big grin

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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:19 am

These are all incidents I either witnessed, saw the aftermath of or had related to me:

Punching a passenger in retaliation for being punched by them is a way (A coworker at my current job got fired from an airline for that).

Driving your tug and bag carts underneath the jetway, and clipping the jetway steps and flipping the last cart over.

Running your tug inbetween a marshaller and the a/c and hitting the a/c's nose with your last bag cart, causing over $1 million in damage, and the airline retiring the a/c 2 months early.

Leaving a carryon cart inside of the containment area and have the prop on the #1 engine strike it.

Slacking off in your duties. Had a guy on my gate crew @ FL that was fired because he wouldn't help the rest of the crew load planes after cleaning them. He'd just go sit in the pillbox until the next plane came in. And at this particular time, our crew were responsible for 3 gates, and needed every person at all times.


I myself was fired from both airlines I worked for, for reasons mentioned in earlier posts. The guy that got me fired from AirTran got a little karmic retribution a few months later when he suffered a collasped lung one day while loading a plane. The guy that got me fired from ASA kept saying "I didn't want to get you fired." When I was fired from ASA, I had already been on a short leash with the ramp manager due to some angry flareups I had out on the ramp (I used to have an anger problem), and this guy knew it, so he basically took my joking around with him the wrong way and got me fired right at Christmas time. Pretty much the entire gate crew chewed the guy out for his actions. I could have appealed both firings, but I was so angry at both companies after I got fired, that I decided I did not want to persue it.
 
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RE: Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:47 am

Giving your first class pax a "DIRTY SANCHEZ" will do it.... Coming to work with your drawers full of crabs from that night in Tijuana will help. Putting stickon labels on the lavs saying "Pimps" for men and "Ho's" for da' bitches will work. Crop dusting after loading up on the boiled cabbage when the doors have been closed and the APU ain't on yet is cold blooded! Humping the beverage cart and making a loud sexual moaning noise will do it! Pretending to fuss with the overhead bin at the seat that some hottie is setting, and poking her in the side of the head with a rock hard stiffe will make you a great friend, or unemployed.