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Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:29 pm

Came across this interesting article on Time magazine on the 18 hour A340:500 ride from Los Angeles to Singapore. Thought would share it with you folks.

http://www.time.com/time/globalbusiness/article/0,9171,1101040322-600906,00.html
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:46 pm

WOW!!!!!!!!  Wow!
That was a really interresting story.. It really sounds like SQ have made a very good product there.
I know for sure that I must try that route once in my life. But It will probably be sometime in the future. I can guess that its almost impossible to get tickets on that flight at the moment..

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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:49 pm

it doesn't sound too bad, beats connecting in NRT. I just hope no airline buys the 772lr, configures it in 2-5-2 and then expects people to sit in the middle for 18-hours. i'm sure they wont though.
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:53 pm

Thanx for the link

Pretty interesting what all u can do nowadays during 18h off the ground...


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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:00 pm

Guys,

This has been discussed at length in another thread - "18.5 Hrs On A Plane"!

The consensus from that forum appeared to be that you would need to make sure the passengers were pretty comfortable so Y class would need to be more spacious than normal!

You would also need to have one hell of a good IFE package! Then ofcourse there are all the other concerns such as DVT, medical emergencies and air-rage incidents!

It will be interesting to see how this pans out as we see more routes added to these ultra-ultra-longhaul flights!
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:19 pm

Roberta

I am sure if airlines go for the 777-200LR they would configure it in a more spacious configuration too. It is not upto Boeing or Airbus but upto the customer how to configure aircraft. Remember that the cabin width of the 777 is wider than the 340.
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:35 pm

Then again, they also try to squeeze in an extra seat on occasion. Still, we are almost at the limit. Not the human limit, but once you've gone half way around the world that's about it.
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:47 pm

Oh, stop whining. My other half has had to travel between the UK and Poland before - that's a 24-hour journey IN a coach.  Insane
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:47 pm

Problem will be that some airlines will squeeze extra pax in for the revenue. I would not expect all airlines to follow SQ, they could not afford to. SQ will generate the extra revenue through higher seat prices, some people will pay a little extra for the quality, hence my choice of SQ rather than CO on my trip out East next week. CO is best of USA, but cannot compare with SQ, plus getting upgrade on SQ is easy compared with CO, and their additional pricing policy. Gold on both.
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:48 pm

8 across would make perfect sense for a 777Lr. I cant stand that middle seat in 2-5-2 i would rather travel on a 777 with 3-4-3 as the width has very little difference and you are either at a window or 1 from the aisle. i guess 2-4-3 is the best.
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:03 am

I think the executiveconomy/Raffles configuration of the 345's in SQ's fleet is what makes the difference. Imagine being stuck for eighteen hours in an economy cabin. I did LAX-HKG with CX in 2002 (744) in coach and I tolerated it well but I would have become crazy if the flight had lasted 10 more minutes. Fortunately I slept quite a lot and was with lots of friends, so it wasn't that bad.
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:11 am

Yesterday I saw a report on TV about SQ's SIN-LAX flight, it was quite interesting, especially they showed both classes, the resting areas, an interview with the cabin and cockpit crew as well as some interviews with passengers.

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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:18 am

I did LAX-HKG with CX in 2002 (744) in coach and I tolerated it well but I would have become crazy if the flight had lasted 10 more minutes. Fortunately I slept quite a lot and was with lots of friends, so it wasn't that bad.

Did your flight have 20" wide seats with 37" seat pitch and a small bar and IFE that challenges what i can get in my own house?
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:20 am

The consensus from that forum appeared to be that you would need to make sure the passengers were pretty comfortable so Y class would need to be more spacious than normal!

Um, South African does ATL-CPT and that's about 18 hours. The 744 is configured normally (check their site for pitch, ect.) I've done it actually. People were in the middle seats and guess what? They lived.

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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:46 am

With whats going on legally with DVT law suits I wonder if carriers could/would make passengers sign a disclaimer that would at the same time be the notice of the threat as well as the way out of a court case. Any legal eagles out there have input on this?
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:02 am

Sounds pretty good and a good value for $1665. I'll probably do the Continental run to HKG before I do this but this too would be an experience, though wearing despite the comfort amenities. Great report!
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:18 am

Truly seems the flight from hell, specially in coach, doesn´t it?
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:58 am

18 hours isn't that much more than the 15 from LAX-MEL, which is bearable.

 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:36 pm

I have done LHR - SYD with 1 stop of 55 mins in coach and i tollerated that. It was a 14hr stint to SIN and 8hrs to syd. Thats the eqivalent to 22hrs on a plane with 1 stop. I too am here. People do the trips every day and how many body bags do you see coming out of coach???? None

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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:43 pm

BDRules - re how many body bags do you see coming out of coach ?

Not quite none - there have been a few DVT-related deaths in Y class on ultralong flights.
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:54 pm

hey guys,

just got transfered to China and many websites are blocked! Can someone post the article or send it to me? chupametodito@hotmail.com
thanks.
 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:00 pm

As requested:

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Over the Really Long Haul

Eighteen hours nonstop. In coach. Our reporter rides the next trend in global travel
By SALLY B. DONNELLY/SINGAPORE

Just call me an aviation lab rat. My experiment was to fly on the world's first nonstop flight from Los Angeles to Singapore: more than 18 hours, the longest regularly scheduled commercial jetliner flight ever. In coach. Could I survive such stress? Would I be stricken with deep-vein thrombosis or catch a nasty bug, confirming the health concerns about long-haul flights? Would my brain turn to mush? I submitted

myself to this trial on your behalf, dear reader, because you may be doing likewise soon. The Singapore Airlines flight promises to be the first of an increasing number of ultra-long-haul flights on planes like the new Airbus A340-500, some using over-the-pole routing. Continental Airlines, for example, flies from Newark, N.J., to Hong Kong, a 16-hour ride, which until recently was the longest. (There are already dozens of flights in the 13-hour range.) Next up: Emirates Airlines plans to start flying nonstop from New York City to Dubai later this year, a 13-hour haul. When Boeing launches its 777-200LR in 2006, it will be a marathon machine with a range of more than 10,000 miles.

When I boarded the Airbus for the flight to Singapore, I could see that the airline, renowned for its good service, has made some dramatic changes inside the cabin. It removed seats and even made the aisles wider to create an "executive economy" section (full fare, round trip: $1,665). Once the plane was at cruising altitude I spent the first hour or so just getting used to the surroundings — exploring the stand-up bar Singapore Airlines created at the back of the coach section, ducking into one of the two windowed rest rooms or longing for the plush seats in business class.

Not that our coach seats were cramped. The new Airbus is one of the world's longest airplanes and can typically seat 313 passengers, but the airline installed just 181 seats to allow more room. There are 117 in coach in a 2-3-2 layout. Not only is each coach seat 5 in. farther than usual from the one in front of it, it is 20 in. wide vs. the typical 17 in. Even the aisles are wider: 20 in. vs. 19 in. If these differences seem minuscule, they're not: they gave me enough space to change positions, stretch (I'm 5 ft. 6 in.) and put my book and earphones down next to me on the seat. The seat has a pitch of 37 in., reclines 8 in. and has an adjustable foot and leg rest, useful for sleep.

As I was drinking the first of 20 glasses of water to stay hydrated, a guy two seats away started coughing and didn't stop for 10 minutes. I thought, Can I handle 18 hours of this? Should I have bought that surgical mask? I was still getting adjusted to my surroundings when a beautiful flight attendant in a traditional Singapore kebaya handed me a hot towel. I got up, stretched and walked around, which every long-haul veteran knows is necessary to keep your blood moving. I chatted with a few folks who were doing the same. I started one of my books, Jarhead, by Anthony Swofford, a former Marine's account of life in the military. Then, three hours into the flight, it was time for dinner: a swordfish-and-rice combo, accompanied by some Piper Heidsieck champagne. Who needs business class anyway?

I turned my attention to the entertainment options: 29 video-on-demand movies (there will be 60 by the end of March), 77 TV shows, 102 CDs, 12 music channels and even Nintendo games and mah-jongg. As a big Denzel Washington fan, I chose his latest movie, Out of Time. He looked great on the relatively large, 9-in. video screen. After a couple of hours with Denzel, I got in some serious bar time — Singapore Airlines has done what no other airline has done for years, which is to devote a large expanse of space in the coach section for passengers to mingle. Here you can get a full range of cocktails and soft drinks plus a variety of snacks. But passengers went for camaraderie: they spent hours chatting and stretching. It was so popular that the swells in business class, who had their own area, nonetheless migrated to the hotter meeting place in the back. It was like the country-club set discovering the trendy new place downtown.

As they are on all trips and especially the long hauls, the flight attendants are trained to keep an eye out for passengers who aren't handling the flight well: then the crew will engage them in conversation, offer them a drink or something to eat — all designed to lower the travelers' stress level. My stress was so low I decided I had to sleep. I easily dropped off and caught a four-hour nap. The cleverly designed seats have a headrest that bends to form a kind of a pillow: no embarrassing head drops onto your neighbor's shoulder.

So after a meal, a movie, some mingling and a four-hour nap, that leaves you with, oh, my God, nine hours to go. I read Jarhead for a little longer, then switched my video channel to the moving map display. It showed nothing but the huge blue expanse of the Pacific Ocean. Where the hell was Singapore anyway? Then back to the movies! Intolerable Cruelty zipped by. Then a couple of hours more sleep.

At this point, we were 15 1/2 hours aloft. Time for more food! I again chose fish (the Indian meal had run out) and it was as good as the first meal. I had brought a bunch of stationery with me, thinking I'd use the hours to return to the glorious age of letter writing. Nah. Back to Jarhead. Then another inspection trip to the bathroom — which remained remarkably clean to the very end of the flight. As Flight 19 finally touched down in Singapore, some 9,000 miles and 18 hours and four minutes after takeoff, the passengers broke out in enthusiastic applause: a little celebration of man and aluminum. I was dehydrated from the dry cabin air, despite all those glasses of water. But I felt pretty good. Not exactly perky but not anything like a lab rat, either.


 
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RE: Eighteen Hours Nonstop. In Coach!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:03 pm

My family is going to BOM from LAX via SIN in about 2 months, and the price difference is quite a bit if you travel SQ19/20 or SQ11/12 or 29/30. We paid $1025 roundtrip on SQ29/412 and SQ411/30, and if we chose SQ19/422 and SQ411/20, it would have be $1670! So there is a huge price difference for saving about 4 hrs of flight.

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