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What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:37 pm

If you could change the airport code of existing airports, what would they be? Some airports inherit their old name like ORD (Orchard Field) or MCO (McCoy AFB), so these codes aren't exactly self-explanatory to an average Joe. I believe that some airports (especially minor or new ones) could not opt for the "correct" code because it has been taken by an older airport, for example DXB for Dubai instead of DUB. Somehow this reminds me of internet "cybersquatting" where the nice ones are already taken. Other airports just try to be unique and opt for confusing codes that don't represent their true meaning.

OK I'll start...
I think Lahore deserves to get LHR instead of LHE. Even without the consonants, you can sort of make out the sound Lahore. What code should Heathrow use? Maybe HRW or HTR.

Phuket should get PKT instead of settling for just HKT. PKT is the code for Port Keats in the Northern Territory, Australia. Phuket could easily deserve this code more.

Riyadh is RUH. No idea why they didn't use RYD because no other airport uses it as far as I know.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:25 pm

He he

From LHR to HRW!

You will get burned!


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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:27 pm

Change CAI (Cairo International Airport) to -CIABig grin
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:01 pm

He Funny one Horus  Big grin

I would first of all change all of the Canadian ones!
YYZ and YVR DOES NOT MAKE SENSE  Smile TOR and VAN/VCR or the likes why the Y???

Also why is KORD called ORD? And not CHI or COH or something...

There's a lot more  Smile

What about the ICAO YSSY???

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:08 pm

Windshear, ORD is called ORD because it used to be called 'Orchard Field'

for the ICAO YSSY.. Y is for Australia, S is for New South Wales and SY is for Sydney..
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:10 pm

Maybe Phuket should be POO... as that's how you say the first syllable.

It is suprising how many can be guessed without knowing. And knowing the reasoning behind some American ones means you can guess others (nEWaRk, Int Apt Houston (is that right?)).

MSY isn't even called Moisant Field these days, at least as far as non-local pax are concerned. Perhaps NOL or something.

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:55 pm

Geoffm

Phuket should be anything but HKT - its all wrong when the code doesn't start with the right letter (except Canada, but their codes are all screwed up anyway).

Re Lahore being LHR - nope ! LHR stands for London Heath Row (Heath Row was the name of the village buried to make room for the airport). LGW stands for London GatWick, LCY stands for London City, LTN stands for London Luton It would make sense then to change Stansted to LST - and perhaps Lahore should be LOR.
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:24 pm

Re Lahore being LHR - nope ! LHR stands for London Heath Row

Of course I know that. L-H-R sounds more like "Lahore" than "London Heath Row". Nevermind... there are many people who leave near Heathrow who have relatives back in Lahore anyway Big grin
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:29 pm

either minniapolis or detroit-metro from
DTW, MSP to NWA
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:17 pm

I'm sure the people in FAT and SUX would like their's changed  Big grin
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:28 pm

I would make
JFK - BUM
ORD - POO
LAX - SEX
SFO - TIT

why?

because I'm immature Big grin he he he
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:29 pm

I would give the airport identifier of ORL to Orlando International Airport.

Then I would give Orlando Executive the identifier OEX.
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:36 pm

MDW to COOL LOL just kidding look at Wichita Mid Continent Airport ICT? I gues they just closed their eyes and picked a code. I'd change it to WIC
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:45 pm

if it ain't broke, etc...

In any case, "the average Joe" couldn't care less about airport codes, any more than he does about what kind of plane is taking him from, say, MSY to ORD. He just wants it cheap and to get the whole matter of air transportation over with asap.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:17 am

None of them...

However, the prohibition of "N" as the first letter is a bit of a pain. Especially for Newark, New Orleans, Nashville, etc...
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:31 am

However, the prohibition of "N" as the first letter is a bit of a pain. Especially for Newark, New Orleans, Nashville, etc...

NEW is the code for New Orleans Lakefront Airport (originally Shushan Airport), which was the commercial field before MSY. And as an aside, MSY=Moisant Stock Yards. Aviator John (?) Moisant was killed in a crash on the site in the 20s (?); stock yards were later built there; hence the designator.

[Edited 2004-03-18 17:35:10]
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:32 am

Why is 'N' prohibited ? Is this a US-specific rule ?
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:35 am

The people at Fresno (FAT) should have it changed to FYI (for Fresno-Yosemite Int'l Airport), which is not currently being used.
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:44 am

I believe there was a thread at some point about why there are no airport codes in the United States that start with the letter "N" - I believe it has something to do with the fact that all military field designations start with that letter. That would explain why Newark is EWR and so on and so on.

I have no problem with Canadian airports using Y as the first letter. Sometimes you can make sense of it (YVR = Vancouver, BC), but it's easy to confuse Toronto (YYZ) and Calgary (YYC) - assuming I have them right here!

Fortunately, checked bags are given a bar code for the computers to read - and I don't think the computer cares at all if ORD represents Chicago...in the old days, I once caught an agent tagging my bags BDL instead of BFL. I pointed that out, and she politely changed it and smiled and said "good thing you saw that!!".
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:59 am

Hmmm, let's see....

I frankly don't think airport codes can be really changed realistically, nor should they be anyways. Most of them make sense to me anyways. This goes for both IATA and ICAO codes.

However - if there's one set of codes I'd like to see changed, they're IATA codes in my country. Why the hell do they all begin with "Y"? I think it's due to a holdover from the days when codes were assigned to rail stations when train travel was king, and Ottawa felt that airports fell into the same category as train stations, whatever category that is.

Here's how major Canadian airports should be changed to:
YYZ (Toronto Lester B. Pearson Int'l) = LBP (named after a Prime Minister)
YUL (Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau) = MTL (no I don't like "PET" - that's a French slang for farting, but then again look at Fukuoka's IATA code! LOL)
YVR (Vancouver) = VCR
YYC (Calgary) = CLG
YEG (Edmonton) = EDM
YXE (Saskatoon) = SKT
YQR (Regina) = RNA
YYT (St. John's) = SJS
YHZ (Halifax) = HFX
YWG (Winnipeg) = WPG
YXY (Whitehorse) = WHS (not exactly a major airport, but it's a well known city only because it's on the Alaska Highway - and the largest Canadian city north of the 60th Parallel (pop. about 23,000) )
YZF (Yellowknife) = YKN (once again, not a big one, but an important air distribution center for the Canadian North)

I've taken care not include codes that already exist, but I'm sure there's some codes I put in that might already exist. Why not CGY for Calgary, for instance? CGY is the IATA code for Caguyan de Oro in the Philippines. And I can't put in STN for Saskatoon - that's already taken by Stansted! Nor can I use YEL for Yellowknife - that one is already in use by Elliott Lake in Northern Ontario!

But I don't think even Canadian IATA codes will change in the near future or even at all, because it might be costly and also may conflict with those already in use, as I said. BTW, some of the Canadian codes already in existence are easy enough for most to remember which airport it belongs to, like YVR or YWG, for example.

[Edited 2004-03-18 18:01:11]
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:03 am

 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:08 am

I have nothing against the designator Y for Canada (it's kinda unique!) but they should at least make them easier to guess, e.g.

YYZ -> YTO : TOronto
YUL -> YDV : DorVal, Montreal
YMX -> YMB : MeriBel, Montreal
YYC -> YCA : CAlgary
YeG -> YeD : EDmonton
YHZ -> YHF : HaliFax

I wouldn't change YVR.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:08 am

I would change our Sacramento airport from SMF to SAC and rename Sacramento Executive airport SEX. LOL!
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:18 am

I would rename PHX to HOT(although if there's an airport near Hot Springs it would deserve it). Also I would rename MSY to MGI, Mardi Gras International.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:22 am

although if there's an airport near Hot Springs it would deserve it

If you mouse-over "HOT" above, you'd get Hot Springs - Memorial Field - Arkansas.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:30 am

I'd change all cities that only have 3 letters in the full name and use it as the city code, e.g.

Goa in India should be GOA, not GOI ... of course you'd have to change GOA-Genoa, Italy... and the chain reaction starts.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:30 am

YYZ = SUX
LHR = WOW

 Big grin

Other than that, they're all alright.

CYTZ maybe could be ISA
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:44 am

Actually I think Toronto is YTO, at least that's the city code. Cities with more than one airport have a city code as well as airport codes - LON, NYC, TYO.
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:57 am

United_Fan, I was going to say the same thing... change Sioux City's code to SIE/SIO/SCI... anything but the awful SUX.

Of course, the citizens of Sioux City, IA feel the same way... check out this link:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/bob/greene041202.asp


And from the article, apparently the FAA has a sense of humor as well...

But Sioux City was not overwhelmingly enthusiastic about the replacement options the FAA gave it, and decided to stay with what it had.

"One option the FAA gave Sioux City in the '80s was to change the identifier to GAY," Januska said, without comment.




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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:03 am


Comprehensive and informative past discussion about airport code changes:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1112596/

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:12 am

JGPH - commercial airports cannot start with 'N',this is reserved for the US Navy .
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:46 am

Here's one that we should keep: Fukuoka, Japan!
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:05 pm

how about Fresno? If I were a person of size I would object to my checked baggage being marked FAT...  Smile

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:32 pm

I have nothing against the designator Y for Canada (it's kinda unique!) but they should at least make them easier to guess, e.g.

YYZ -> YTO : TOronto
YUL -> YDV : DorVal, Montreal
YMX -> YMB : MeriBel, Montreal
YYC -> YCA : CAlgary
YeG -> YeD : EDmonton
YHZ -> YHF : HaliFax

I wouldn't change YVR.


You won't get any argument from me about Canada's uniqueness, although in my post, I was suggesting differently as how the codes should be changed!

As Cedarjet said, YTO does already exist - it's basically a blanket code for all the local airports in Metro Toronto. YHF is already taken too, which is the code for Hearst, some small airport in the middle of Ontario. However, you got good ideas there for the other ones.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy But one thing though: YUL is not Montreal Dorval anymore. It's already been changed to Pierre Elliott Trudeau International, named after a Prime Minister. So maybe "YPT" might be better. And as for Halifax, how about "YHX"? Big grin

"Meribel" should actually be spelled "Mirabel" - But "YMB" in place of "YMX" is still a very good idea though!

And you're right - if the "Y" designation is to be kept, (which it will very likely be so) then some like YVR shouldn't be changed. Nor should YWG or YOW (Ottawa), for instance, either.
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:01 pm

Alright I know these European airport codes are OK as they are, but I would rather have them using their native spellings rather than the english version. It would be so much hassle to change them (plus it's unnecessary), so perhaps they should have used the native spellings from the beginning.

GVA -> GVE Geneva -> Genève
VCE -> VNZ Venice -> Venezia
CGN -> KLN Cologne -> Köln
VIE -> WIE Vienna -> Wien

Vienna is quite unique. The airport code is VIE (english/italian), the airline is OS (german) and the country code is AT (french). Very european!
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:21 am

Another letter US airport codes cannot start with is "X". Most "X" designated codes, much like those that start with the letter "N" are assigned to military airfields. When the new airport in Fayetteville, Arkansas was built, they were able to get to use the code XNA, as the old airport was to remain open. IIRC, they had to get permission from the military to use an X-- code, since X codes are assigned to military airfields.

As for SUX and FAT, here's my suggestions:

SUX:
ISF (Iowa, Sioux Falls)
ISX (Iowa, SiouX Falls)

FAT:
I agree about changing it to FYI.


[Edited 2004-03-20 17:22:41]
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:52 am

What about Vail/Eagle County (EGE) or Aspen Sardy Field(ASE) be renamed "SKI" Big grin

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:30 am

How about changing STL to DED!

Next up: STL-OAK-RNO-LAS-ICT-STL
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:39 am

I would like to change Milan Malpensa: At the moment is MXP...what? an "X" in a name like Milano Malpensa? Where is the "X" in this name? I think the X make the code a cool code, but MLP or MAL could make more sense  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:33 am

At the moment is MXP...what? an "X" in a name like Milano Malpensa?

My guess is X denotes "international"
e.g. LAX, KIX, DXB
 
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RE: What If You Could Change An Airport Code?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:45 am

Speaking of X's(no pun intended)  Big grin Where the heck did they come up with LAX for LA International? The ONLY thing I could think of: Burbank was LA's original airport. When they built the new airfield by Inglewood, it became an eXtra airport. Yeah, I know...I'm reaching.  Innocent Any ideas?  Big grin
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