socalatc
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How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:53 am

Last night I was on a flight that involved a CRJ700, It was only an hour flight, but it got me thinking about America West's new LAX-Canada and LAX- Mexico flights, and how they will be using the RJ's. My question is why would anyone choose to fly on an RJ for that long of a flight, when you can buy a ticket on AS and fly a mainline jet? I find these RJ's very uncomfortable and I could not imagine spending more than one hour on one of them.

Do you think these new routes will be profitable for HP? And do you think it will take away some of the PAX from AS?
 
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:08 am

My question is why would anyone choose to fly on an RJ for that long of a flight, when you can buy a ticket on AS and fly a mainline jet?

Most people couldn't care less. If America West offers a better fare, they'll take it. Also, the CRJ-900s that America West will be using on these routes are much rommier than the typical RJs, and feature an F class cabin.

Nevermind the fact that most customers have no idea what kind of aircraft they are flying on, and couldn't tell the difference between a CRJ-900 and a 737-400.
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socalatc
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:44 am

If that is the case then, I would imagine that the AS PAX that cross over to HP will fly on them once, and go right back to AS. Also my friend at HP said all RJ will be configured in Y class only fairly soon. For a 3 hour flight, NO THANKS!
 
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:53 am

I'm sure the route will do just fine. With Mesa operating it there really isn't any liability for HP themselves. We have a huge amount of traffic out of the SOCAL area and these flights will help to free up some seats on the hub flights...allowing more pax to travel. Despite the fact that I can't stand Mesa, the planes are nice and from what I've heard from our Canadian pax, they had a pleasant experience overall. They are certainly more roomy than the ERJ's. I do still hear complaints about the room, but more so from COex pax about the ERJ's.

It is true that all HPX RJ's will be coach only. Starting this month they are removing the FC seats from all 900's and whatever 700's are left in the system. It will increase the seating to 86 from 80.
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:40 am

We all just need to face the fact that CRJ's are going to be everywhere and on many long flight. Much longer then we care to be on them for. I like to see HP do well with new route but honestly and maybe a little biastly, I think AS will kick them around. Passengers not knowing one type of plane to another, thats bull...... I talk to people all the time outside work who were very upset when we put the CRJ on the SFO-PDX flight. They know what planes they like!

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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:44 am

I personally LOVE the CRJ-700. I've flown on many with QX. From short little PDX-SEA hops, to long EUG-LAX hops. It's a comfortable plane.

Now, I wouldn't take that arguement to a....large....passenger. I could agree those seats might get a bit tight, especially on a flight over an hour and a half.
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:53 am

Yeah, me too and I am really love with CRJ-700/900, too.
 
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:39 am

Sorry for the ignorance. Whereto in Mexico is HP flying from LAX using a regional jet?
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as739x
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:17 am

Eddie...they will fly LAX to PVR/MZT in Mexico and LAX-YEG in Canada.

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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:38 am

Thanks a lot As739x!!!

I don't think that using a regional jet in those routes (the Mexican ones at least) is that bad for passengers. I agree that a large number of them cannot tell a regional jet apart from an MD-80 or a F100. Besides, the CRJ is a good airplane and the distance is not that long.
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flyboyaz
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:49 am

They are also flying to YVR out of LAX in addition to YEG.

You'd be suprised how many people don't know they are flying on a small plane. There are a few that know either because they've flown the route before or they are told at check in. We are actually required to tell them, though many agents do not. Travel agents as well are supposed to notify people they are on an "express" flight. We had 2 passengers, both in electric wheelchairs booked on a COex flight by a travel agent. They had no idea they were on a small plane and we had to rebook them as their chairs didn't fit on the plane. It was a mess.
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:19 am

In one sense I prefer RJ's in that deplaning is quicker. I also find customer service at the commuter carriers more friendly perhaps b/c the FA's are not as bitter as some of the longer serving mainline ones.

Anywat, what is HP's stategy at LAX? A mini-hub or focus city? Or simply select off-hub routes? HP has also recently commenced the JFK-LAX/SFO nonstops.
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:24 am

Speaking of HP at LAX...

I know they're in the same terminal as WN. Do they use the same security checkpoints as well?

I'm on HP 231 to PHX at 06:45 this Friday. Do I need to get there Thursday night to start lining up for security?!?

Sorry for slightly changing the subject.
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RE: How Will HP Do On Their New LAX Routes.

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:02 am

I'm not sure what our plan at LAX is, I believe it is just adding key point to point markets. There is talk of doing the same thing at TUS since Mesa now has a mx base here, they want more planes routed through the city. Nothing loaded for the summer, possibly in the fall they will announce something.

UALFAson, I'm sure they both use the same checkpoints, it's been a while since I've flown there but everywhere WN is, there are lines...lol. Especially in LA, I would arrive pretty early.
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