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JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:51 am

Hot off the press:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8219065.htm

JetBlue is grabbing 3 out of 6 available gates at MCO. Awesome! I can almost smell service to OAK, SJU, and IAD.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:10 am

YES!

I'm moving there in about 9 months (right after Christmas), so I hope these flights do indeed start- it would be quite a treat to go connect to somewhere in a place other than JFK. B6 is a great airline, I wish them continued luck!
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:14 am

OAK-MCO-SJU same-plane service would be a good route. Call me crazy, but I think an SLC-MCO flight would do fairly well...it would certainly give Delta a run for its money! B6 could easily do 24+ flights per day with three gates. With their low cost structure and the low operating costs of the A320, many destinations from MCO are feasible.


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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:22 am

I hope JetBlue alot of luck.....i am surprised they are able to handle all those flight from one gate! does anyone have any more info on the expansion of MCO??
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:30 am

I would really love to see San Juan- Orlando but I doubt it (we already have AA, ATA, Spirit, and SONG), not sure if there is space for a 5th carrier. I could definitely see IAD, LGB, OAK, SAN, obviously extra JFK and BOS . Dont get me wrong I would love to see b6 in the sju-mco route (especially since I fly the route so much, and I've been dying to experience B6), but I doubt they would enter such a saturated market.
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:39 am

Why do all the JetBlue topics end with an exclamation point?
It's interesting to see they are expanding..but it's not an Earthshattering event.

See what I mean!!!
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:42 am

Interesting, very interesting. Kudos to JetBlue for the MCO expansion, however I have to agree with Chepos. MCO-SJU is a saturated market with the above mentioned airlines, however I do think that JetBlue can give it a try. I'd wish them the best of luck.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:49 am

Gee, no Philzy at M-C-O yet?  Big thumbs up

Where is this expansion? Are they adding more gates at the current airside? Me confused.  Confused

When does CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO's new runway open?


Also, aren't there several empty gates at the airside that holds AA and CO?
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:57 am

Why do all the JetBlue topics end with an exclamation point?

'JetBlue Wants More Of LGB', another thread that I started today, doesn't have an exclamtion point. I don't know what the big deal is if it's there or not, but I put an exclamation point because MCO has a good market for growing in/out of, and JetBlue's almost completely ignors it (only serves JFK and BOS), but now they're getting more involved.

This is also exciting because it will create many more jobs, and I'm sure there's many people in the Orlando/Lake Buena Vista/Orange/Celebration area that are looking for jobs.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:15 am

This is also exciting because it will create many more jobs

Not really all that many.... not like opening a new resort or a large business arriving to town or Disney expanding....
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:22 am

What About MCO to San Diego?
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:23 am

Good news for B6. Expect FL and DL to respond by flooding the market (remember that FL's Number Two city is MCO, and they are HQ'd there). I wish B6 luck, but I don't expect them to steal a massive portion of the market share. At least, not any time soon.


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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:38 am

There is no new nonstop from MCO-SAN either and it si another airlines was used to SAN.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:42 am

Not really all that many (jobs)

Not too many, but still - a number. They'll need more customer service agents, baggage handlers, and basically ground people. They'll also need more in-flight crew members and pilots. Say they operate 25 flights out of the 3 gates. They currently have roughly 12. So that's an extra 13. 13x6 crew (4 f/a's, 2 pilots) = 78 more people right there. Depending on the timing of the flights, that'll be the deciding factor for how many ground personnel. But JetBlue isn't known for having large banks, so I think the number would be around 20-25. But I'm really not the best person to ask about when it comes to airlines and their employees.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:45 am

Expect FL and DL to respond by flooding the market (remember that FL's Number Two city is MCO, and they are HQ'd there)

If you ask me, I think the majority of the flights will be going west - an area of the U.S that AirTran very poorly serves, and doesn't have non-stop service there from MCO. And JetBlue knows better than to compete against fellow LCC's (past movements show that they do not like competing against LCC's, but have no problem competing with airlines within an airline).

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:44 am

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the article say that they were getting 3 additional gates? I think that would be the only way they could operate 50 flights a day. I also agree that they are headed west first. Until more eastern destinations open up or the E190s come about, they don't really have a lot of options. ONT, LAS, SLC, OAK get my vote for the next destinations. As far as crews added. You forgot all of the crews that will work when they don't; unless you would have them fly 7 days a week(ugh!!). On a side note, if they go west, Delta does not have enough planes in Song to go with them. Maybe some more mainline?
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:57 am

We are getting a little ahead of ourselves. The announcement said they get the gate space near the end of 2005. This sounds like a good move on their part to get upcoming space to operate would could be increased flights when the 190's or increased service with the A320's show up there....two years from now.

Yes, it probably means expansion, expansion they probably saw coming and recognized a need for better facilities. Sure they'll put more flights in there between then and now, but why not get new and/or more gate space if it's available in a market like MCO?
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:04 am

I think the new runway is open because I was there spotting today, and a B6 A320 had to change runways from 17R to 17L at the last moment. Didnt see anything else land there today though.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:12 am

actually it's only a four gate expansion on the end of the Airtran wing at airside two, in TOTAL we will have three gates when its finished, this may mean one at gate 110, one at 112, and one at 107(once it's built). Spirit it moving over by NW in the 30's gate area, this frees up two gates. When everything is said and done there will be a total of 6 gates. Gotta love how the media misreads everything...

I had thought that GOAA was going to construct the third finger of airside two, but i guess they'd rather keep the pond...

As for the new runway, it's open, but not heavily used yet. There is still some construction being done on the taxiways...

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:38 am

What About MCO to San Diego?

B6 has its own gate problems at SAN (didn't the airport authority force DL to give up some gate space for them?). I know B6 does not have their own gate here to expand. Otherwise, MCO is the busiest city-pair from SAN not to have a non-stop.
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:55 am

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that they're building new gates at MCO, considering that US Airways gave up a slew of gates during their trip through bankruptcy. I imagine that some of them have been taken but I'd be surprised if they all were. I'd think WN also wants some gates since they've got to be close to 70 daily flights with their new service additions this spring.

Adding gates to one of the wings of the wings of Airside 2 makes more sense than adding the third wing IMO; it's a lot cheaper and probably more convenient for the existing tenants once all is said and done.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:00 am

Coronado990,

That's correct for B6 and those are not have with the new nonstop from MCO-SAN either and I don't actually see with their flight to SAN and it is already on the long haul flight from CLT, PHL, PIT, CVG, ATL, BOS, JFK & IAD, too.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:40 pm

Yeah Oz, they opened the new runway a week or 2 ago. Runway 17R will be closing soon apparently for mx (new pavement? I think).

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:00 pm

why do I have a feeling we will see a MCO-STL-MCO flight with B6?? Its a VERY succesful market out fo STL and WN and AA are doing very well on the route. someoen thought F9 would start taht route,..maybe B6 will be the first?

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:53 pm

I smell another B6 ATL story here, give it a year and they will reduce service in MCO. FL and DL will add more and drive them out. Maybe TPA would have been a better choice.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:10 am

give it a year and they will reduce service in MCO. FL and DL will add more and drive them out.

Though you are entitled to your own opinion, which I do respect, I COMPLETELY disagree.

First of all, there is no airline that has an actualy *hub* in MCO, so JetBlue really isn't attacking anyone, therefore giving no airline a large (stress large) advantage over another.

Second of all, JetBlue has been in MCO since 2000 - a lot longer than the 7 mos. they were in ATL. Therefore, a lot of people have aleady flown
JetBlue to Orlando, and seeing that JetBlue will be expanding at MCO, then I guess that many people just keep coming back.

Third of all, this is Florida. Need I say more?

Fourth of all, AirTran would have nothing to do with this. Everyone knows that JetBlue prefers to fly transcons, and AirTran doesn't have transcons from there. Also, AirTran focuses heavily on routes from MCO to smaller cities, such as ROC, Akron, etc.

Fifth of all, the only competition with DL to the West would be Song, and past performances show that JetBlue can easily take on Song (ie, BOS). As far as DL mainline, there wouldn't be much overlap. DL mainline only serves ATL, CVG, SLC, and DFW from MCO. I'm sure there's only a couple of other destinations served from MCO by DL mainline. And nobody is expecting to see JetBlue operate MCO-ATL, CVG, SLC, or DFW.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:18 am

"Fourth of all, AirTran would have nothing to do with this. Everyone knows that JetBlue prefers to fly transcons, and AirTran doesn't have transcons from there. Also, AirTran focuses heavily on routes from MCO to smaller cities, such as ROC, Akron, etc."

That's about to change. FL will be taking on 8 737-700s this year and at least one per month going forward for the next several years. I would definitely be looking for some long haul MCO flying once those jets start arriving.

 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:29 am

I smell another B6 ATL story here, give it a year and they will reduce service in MCO. FL and DL will add more and drive them out. Maybe TPA would have been a better choice.

Tampa will see some growth. Ft. Lauderdale will still remain jetBlue's busiest Florida station, not Orlando. jetBlue just wants to get a strong hold in the Florida market, and they are doing a good job. Rumours are running much stronger now that they will announce MIA service this year, possibly at the same time they confirm thier LaGuardia schedules (sort of a marketing tie-in: "now we serve the two main airports in our two main markets" sort of thing; no idea how reliable that is though, because I don't see MIA service being announced soon). Daytona Beach is also coming, though with the 190s.
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:07 am

I would definitely be looking for some long haul MCO flying once those jets start arriving.

This may happen sometime next year or even in 06, but not this year. I think that those 737's would be used more for ATL-LAX, SFO, DEN, SEA, SAN, LAS, and PHX. They already have DEN, LAX, SFO, and LAS they need those planes for. If they get 8 this year, there's not much they can do - especially since the Ryan International 320's are leaving.

At this point, it's a matter of who gets there first. But it's more likely that JetBlue will be the airline to start transcons out of MCO, seeing that they have (or will have) 15 transcon routes by mid-June. It's definitely a the more likely candidate for the transcons out of central FL.

And JetBlue already has gate 110 at MCO (Akjetblue, I need you on this). If they have the extra gate, they might as well use it for OAK or LAX. They still have 112 operating JFK and BOS flights. 110 is only used for the morning departure to BOS I believe. And JetBlue isn't the type to let a gate sit there idle when they're paying for it.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:20 am

Well you may be right partly, but all of the long haul flying right now is being handled by only 3 a320s, after that its new flights. That leaves at least 5 737s (after replacing ryan) in the next 9 mos. to go somewhere and I'm betting that at least a few will be from MCO.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:28 am

Well what I was thinking that FL would rather use the rest of the 737's (this year) for additional SFO, LAX, LAS, and DEN. They don't have many frequencies to those cities from ATL and I'm sure they want a bigger piece of the pie that they share with Delta.

I also think that those 737's could go from ATL to MCO, or perhaps PHL to MCO. These aren't like huge 777's we're talking about here. They're just regular planes that can do short hops, medium, or long - such as the a320, and AirTran is treating them like they're these huge long-haul things. In reality, they could serve ATL-GSO if they wanted to.

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:35 am

The short hops are what the 717s are for, which by the way they are taking an additional 10 this year. I think you will see 737s on short hops as well, but only for positioning and utilization purposes. The 320s have LAX-ATL-MCO as tag flights right now in order to use those planes for scheduling around the long haul departure times. I just don't think that they will dedicate a 737 for strictly short hops when they are needed for their range right now. When more are delivered I'm sure this will change.
 
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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:48 am

Quickmover,

I definitely see your point with the 737's. I was actually wondering why I saw a 320 in MCO in December. But for the return leg, it said "Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport, continuing onto San Francisco" on that screen thing at the gate. So it goes LAX-ATL-MCO-ATL-SFO?

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RE: JetBlue-MCO Expansion!

Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:34 am

Freshlove - don't be greedy with whatever the hell you're inhaling. It's easier for DL to protect ATL than MCO for many reasons.

MCO is primarily RJ or Song country. If jetBlue goes west neither will be able to help. Second, jetBlue already has a good presence at MCO from JFK. Their one flight at ATL did not have a chance. The RJ won't go past DFW. Song does not have the aircraft for a two front war either.