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Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:15 pm

What's the status on this project? Is it a done deal?
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:30 pm

Projected date of opening: around 2009/2010, though opening is somewhat misleading, as we speak about the "re-modeling" of an existing airport (SXF: Berlin-Schoenefeld). Next year they'll try to close down Tempelhof THF, whereas TXL remains Berlin's main airport until BBI goes "online".

This is the inofficial timeframe, so there is some truth in it! Yet I'd expect another delay by at least 2 years, since I know my Berliners just too well  Big grin.
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:45 pm

You know ... me?  Wow! Did your girlfri ... err .. you know nothing about me my dear. Big grin

LhMark:
Yes, it is a done deal. The investors have gone through all criminal habits and attitudes we know so well from Sri Lanka, Ghana, Turkmenistan and Germany.  Angry Now it's getting serious.

http://www.berlin-airport.de/bbi/rubEnglish/index.html
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:51 pm

Well the thing's gonna be HUGE! I doubt LH will do much hubbing there. What are they expecting in terms of traffic?
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:05 am

Interesting.. the consolidation of the 3 airports is VERY much needed. This is the first I have heard about the project, and I am very glad it's happening!

I was at TXL last week, and let me tell you, I was not very impressed. The baggage claim was quick & efficient, but the separate check-in and security procedures at each gate was a complete pain in the ass. Also, there was practically NO space at all beyond security. Very little seating and a pathetic excuse for a duty-free shop. Tegel's problem is that it is just too much airport for too small a space.

Anyway, I can't wait to see this baby go up. Any predictions on the main airline(s) at BBI and trans-Atlantic services? Now that Berlin will have a true airport to speak of, will there be direct flights from the US?
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:12 am

Since Berlin is situated in Mid-/East Europe, they expect to attract the still growing Asian market.
The longer they wait, the more the Bavarians can expand at MUC and profit from the problems here (such as lack of money, as well as the question who is going to be the operator of BBI). Even Warshaw owes us Berliners a big 'thank you'.

They still expect 20 Million passengers in 2010, though and 40 Million in 2020 - if my memory serves me correctly.
The website I mentioned above should provide some information.
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:24 am

BCAInfoSys, you are absolutely right. By the way: even the Greens are in favor of BBI.

Tegel was build in the 70ies when West-Berlin was sort of an island. There was no need for a bigger airport, not to mention the lack of a potentional building site big enough to accomodate a hub.

Putting the Airport aside - I hope you have had a nice time here.
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:30 am

No I don't and let's keep it that way...there are a few other wise-guys in Berlin as well  Big grin Big grin

No Mark, it will actually NOT be huge, that's the trick, and rather sensible it is, too, given the desastrous financial condition of Berlin: The airport is built in a so-called modular way, that is, as big as needed, but easy to enlarge, if needed. Fortunately they abandoned that crazy idea to have another super airport in Berlin, since, as you correctly stated, LH will not use it as a hub, FRA and MUC are enough for the time being...they wanted to use Berlin as a hub, but all the struggles and scandals made them switch over to MUC, probably the best they could do, since I know my Berliners well  Big grin Big grin
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:32 am

NoUFO -

I had a great time in Deutschland, it has become one of my favorite palces on the planet. But I have to tell you, I felt that Berlin was a little over-hyped. It reminded me too much of New York City. Too big, too impersonal. One thing that Berlin definitely has going for it is the S-Bahn/U-Bahn system, it's great! Very clean, efficient, easy to use, etc...

I have to say that I MUCH preferred Leipzig over Berlin. It was a great city with a lot to do, but just small enough that it was pedestrian friendly. In Leipzig, we had a great location as we stayed at the Marriott just across from the Leipzig Hauptbahnoff (the main Leipzig train station). There was so much to do and see. Not to mention there was a great Irish pub near an Internet cafe, not too far from the hotel.

Also, we took the short drive from Leipzig down to Colditz, which was absolutely amazing for me as I am a big fan of history, especially in regards to Germany in the 20th century (World War II, Cold War, etc...)

Anyway, in response to your question... I LOVED Germany and I will definitely be back as soon as I can! Thanks for all your hospitality Germany!
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:36 am

BCA, just give us a posted holler when you plan to get back to Berlin, and we'll give you a few hints, starting at Caffe e Gelato...you'll find out rather quickly that Berlin is a lot of fun, though you're right, it's not a pedestrian's dream, and never will be, but then we have 7 or 8 real city centers and the city is still without skyscrapers (not that it needs any Big grin)
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:40 am

Will do Andreas.. though it may be several years before it happens, because I am a piss-poor college student with no money to my name!

Also, I found that Berliners were not nearly so forgiving on how badly I butchered your language. I mean, I won't shit you, my German SUCKS! I know all of about German 50-100 words & phrases. However, you'd think people would be more forgiving as I actually TRIED to speak German, rather then being an ignornant, arrogant, stupid-ass American that expects everyone to speak English, right?

Oh yeah, and to anyone reading this.. Potsdamer Platz and the surrounding hotels are not at all what they're hyped to be. Save yourself several hundred Euros and stay in a different part of town, don't waste your money like me and stay at the brand-new Berlin Marriott which was a COMPLETE disappointment. lol.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:49 am

Actually that's funny...usually Berliners are very friendly towards Americans...there's still quite a few who remember the "Luftbruecke" or at least Kennedy's speech in front of the Rathaus Schoeneberg! ("Ich bin ein Berliner"). You probably met some crazy Rhinelanders, who are trying to occupy my hometown  Big grin ("Auslaender rein, Rhinelanders raus").

No, not really, probably some younger ones who thought "why the hell doesn't he speak English...?" Big grin

And one thing is important: The city of Berlin is poor, piss-poor as you put it, or rather bankrupt, as I would put it, but there's one advantage: It's cheap. I know most Western supercities, but none comes close to the low price level of Berlin!!

TXL is indeed an ugly excuse for an airport butthere's one advantage: It's in the middle of the city, absolutely great!


NoUFO: You mean former Prussian...you have just been excommunicated  Big grin Big grin
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:02 am

I see your point. Well, Berliners are well known for their arrogance, but I have to second Andreas.
Ahem, actually people from Leipzig are quite similar when it comes to arrogance, even though they barely speak German Big grin But yes, Leipzig is nice.

Marriott at Potsdamer Platz? Oh my God, that's another expensive wine for a student.

Since it seems you haven't seen the south, I can only recommend to visit the somewhat small but very open-minded and incredibly beautiful city of Freiburg (im Breisgau). And then there is Munich - much bigger than Freiburg but quite nice as well. (Did I really write that? Me ... a now Prussian .. formerly a proud Hanseatic?)
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:16 am

Well.. the Marriott was a freebie for us, since we used Marriott Rewards points for 2 rooms x 2 nights. (My Dad travels about 1/2 the year with Boeing and usually stays at Marriott's).

Ok, next time I'm in Germany, I'll check out Freiburg. I actually want to orient my next trip towards Southern Germany anyway, with emphasis towards: western Czech Republic and Austria. I can't wait to see Prague, the Eagle's Nest (Hitler's mountain retreat), Vienna, etc...
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:18 am

a digression off the topic: I'm a fied for cold-war history, and Berlin is one of my favorite places. I'm going there in August. Any krauts want to join me for a beer?
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:20 am

Oh yeah.. one more thing, I MISS YOUR BEER! I know it's been said over and over, but god damn do Germans ever know their beer. It was simply amazing. Nothing like it in American can even begin to compare to the wonderful beer that flows from Germany like water. If for nothing else, I'll be back soon for some more good Hefewizen! (Though in the US, the best Hefewizen I have found it from Pyramid Ales)
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:26 am

Ah, o.k. I can not promise anything, since I do not know where I will be in August. Just drop a line here or at the non-av a couple of days/weeks before.

Regards,
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:27 am

Mark, that should be possible...even more than one I guess, if we have another summer like the last one.

Give a post and I'll try to be there! Big grin

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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:51 am

On a somewhat more offhand note, how is "Tegel" pronounced? Is it "te-jull" or "te-gull"?

That's one of those names that I've never been sure about it. Kind of like "Changi" in Singapore - there seem to be four or five pronunciations floating around out there.
 
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:56 am

What's going to happen to THF? Would be a shame to see that terminal torn down. Would make a great aviation museum IMO...
 
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:41 am

Flood it before its built  Wink/being sarcastic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:03 am

It's ['te:gel], close to ['te:gl] with the first "e" a bit longer and a tad more bright than the second one, similar to "second" (a bit longer, though) and "well". The pronounciation of the "g" is similar to "government".

While I'm at it: It's [Ber'lin], not ['Bearlin].  Big grin

By the way: I think there is nothing wrong with an english pronounciation of non-english words.

As for THF: There are still some ideas floating around. Some major voices - such as smaller carriers and some companies, as well as scientific institutions - want to keep Tempelhof alive since it's the only real city airport in continental Europe - with a longer runway (actually two runways) than London City. They are afraid they can not afford landing fees at BBI.
But I understand, some people will be more than happy as soon as Tempelhof closes.

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RE: Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:07 am

Kirkie !!! $hu& up!  Big grin  Big thumbs up

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