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Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 1:35 pm

This is likely to get some rage going, but it needs to be asked.
At ORD, where I 'hang out' and visit airplanes regularily, I have noticed a startling trend. 49 out of 50 United Airlines pilots are caucasian. Most other airlines seem the same. I have toured just under a hundred aircraft and met only one black captain (excuse me for not being politically correct, but to me 'white' and 'caucasion'; 'black' and 'african american' are the same)... Anyway, the black captain was as friendly as can be, and I can't imagine why he wouldn't be - so what's afoot? Are the airlines prejudice? Are there just no black people applying for flying? Is it just United that has albino cockpits?

DISCLAIMER: The author of this message has no personal views towards or against persons of any race or skin color other than those of culture and location and does not mean to express racist remarks herein. Those who are offended by text here have sincerest apologies from author who's intentions were only moral.
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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 2:02 pm

This shouldn't be a touchie issue, anyone can be a pilot, a person should be "judged by their character than by the color of their skin". If you know your job you'll get it.


RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 2:04 pm

For your information, UAL has the largest African American pilot percentage of all the major airlines.
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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 2:57 pm

Actually, that's supposed to say Colors in the Cockpit'...
If UAL has the largest percentage (what about South African?) then that supports my point, because there aren't very many of them, so I guess there are even less for other lines. How curious!
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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 3:23 pm

I am friends with a Negro pilot (I don't know a better way to state it) and he is the nicest person I know. I met him when he flew my UAL Express (Great Lakes Aviation) flight out of Purdue to O'Hare. They kept the door open the entire flight because I told them that I loved to fly and I was attending Purdue to become an airline pilot.

I often see him around the terminals of ORD. In fact, earlier this month, he came up to me as I was reading the 'boards' for my flight. We talked for a brief period, but then he needed to go.

I consider myself 'color blind' and race doesn't matter to me. However, religion does... I hate it. I consider it a sham and the Bible on the same level as Dr. Seuss (my appologies to anyone who may be offended). I don't understand why people choose to waste their entire life locked in some cold, dark convent copying a book over by hand.

Anyhow... back to race. I judge a person solely on character. If you're nice to me, I'd take a bullet for you. If you treat me like dirt and don't even make an attempt to meet me even a quarter of the way, I will bring Hell down on you.

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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 3:28 pm

We should all thank Marlon Green for making it possible for blacks (african americans) to become pilots. He was the first african american to become an airline pilot. He applied to Continental Airlines in 1957, but they rejected him because of his race. He brought this to court and he won. Continental was forced to hire him. They made a new law that no airline could no longer discriminate in it's hiring. In 1978, Captain Marlon Green was one of only five African Americans employed by Continental, the other four were all second officers.

UNITED AIRLINES employs more than a third of all black pilots in the U.S today......

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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 6:49 pm

One of the reasons why there are so few minority pilots is because minorities have traditionally been kept out of ranking positions in the military. A good deal of current captains are ex-military. This question actually has a pretty simple answer. Its the same reason for which minorities are under-represented in government. But thankfully the trend is changing. We will soon see equality not only in aviation, but in all aspects of life. Thanks
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RE: Colors On The Cockpit

Sat Jan 29, 2000 7:02 pm

WiL SW737, it seems that we've both read the 4 pages article in the February issue of Airways Magazine ("Green, Martin, and Young - The Three Pioneers" by Stan Solomon). Last chapter says, and I quote:
"No matter which company's uniform they eventually wear, African-American pilots know that as they walk through the terminal, eyes will still register surprise and heads will still turn to follow them. We are not yet a 'color-blind' society."
Since I'm not an American, but come from a small European nation around the polar circle, it's difficult to understand your situation. But in the 70's a imigration from Asia to Norway started (mainly from Pakistan), and without our today new countrymen the ground transportation system in the Oslo area would have broken down long time ago (1/3 of the employees originate from outside Europe). When we are talking about pilots, many of these are recruited from the Royal Norwegian Air Force. To get into account for the RNoAF, you have to be a Norwegian citicen and of the certain age. Who knows, in the next ten years we'll also see if the pilots with a different skin color turn out in a greater number than today. At least, I hope so.

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