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More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:58 pm

CO's 767 and 777 fleets will be running on a very intensive schedule this summer - with double daily flights on EWR-LGW (2 X 777), EWR-CDG (777/762), EWR-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO (764/762), EWR-TLV (2 X 777), extra operations on the IAH-AMS route (2 extra 767s per week), etc. ,etc. I do not think that, with the current fleet and schedules, CO could introduce a new destination with a 767 or 777, and the rumors continue that CO will announce another major new route that require a widebody (destinations from Moscow to Lagos have been suggested). Note that CO's 2 new european destinations (EDI and Oslo) will be served with 752s and EWR-BHX with have 2 752 flights per day (unusual move, one would expect EWR-BHX to be upgraded to a 764 instead of 2 752s per day).

Do you think that we will see an new order from CO for either the 762, 764 or 777?

Also, Delta has announced that it will sell or lease out the 777s that it has on order, do you think its possible that CO would be interested in these aircraft? I realize that CO has GE powered 777s and the DL birds have RR engines, but maybe CO could acquire the DL 777s on aggressive terms?
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:07 pm

If you check with the search function you will find some threads from within the last couple of months. In one of these threads somebody with really good knowledge on this topic made a list with all the city pairings and the needed A/C's (772/764/762).

This list showed that CO is still using some widebodies on domestic routes and would be able to open one or two more widebody routes.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:13 pm

Nothing showed up on the search.

Any opinions?
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:17 pm

Dutchjet,

I would really think that CO would not pick up DL's 777 because of the different engines...in this day it is ALL about commonality and streamlining.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:24 pm

NWAFA, you're entirely right that CO would not pick up DL's 777s because of the engines. CO outsources their engine maintence to General Electric, and they would have to set up a whole new plan for the 777s from DL with the RR engines.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:45 am

I doubt it very much. CO added two 777's in 2003 to its fleet (Ships 17 and 18) and has 16 767-400's and 10 767-200's. I could see them opting to exercise the last option on 1 more 767-200 but that is about it. CO has the biggest widebody fleet it has ever had (40 aircraft). The airline will continue to use 757's on developing routes that are long/thin, such as EWR to EDI and OSL. Eventually, I could see a few more domestic 757's being configured for intercontinental services (all 41 CO 757-200's are ETOPS certified and have the range to fly to Europe and deep into Latin America).

The 737-900 and the 757-300 give CO the flexibility to use the 757's elsewhere in the system.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:54 am

They would excersise remaining 777 options before taking someone elses orders, especially if they are different engines.

From what I heard CO was looking at opening two perhaps as many as three new Pacific routes from EWR and IAH this year, they changed their mind and opted to go double daily EWR- Tel Aviv and on other routes such as Rome, Paris etc..

They have remaining options for 1 or 2 767-200s and a couple 777s, they might excersise these options but not untill their profitability is solidified.
There was the rumor that CO was looking at leasing 8 767-300s, that was from a realiable source but it's a year old now so it's still just speculation.

I think CO will sit tight with what they have now, maybe excerise a couple options if things pick up. However I think their next BIG widebody order will be for the 7E7, but that order is perhaps 2 years away with delivery perhaps 5 years away.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:54 am

Everyone always talks about us adding the other frequencies, but no one has said anything about hte extra GUM-HNL flight we will be doing this summer, although it is only an extra flight I think twice a week. Does UAL have any new 762's. I read last night that they were looking at possibly selling some of them.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:57 am

The 762's at UAL are mostly the oldest ones around. Continental will not be buying the old 762's.

Despite the comments that remain, there is still room for expansion within the fleet as it is. Sure it is getting tighter, but the best case scenario is when it is more or less at capacity.

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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:59 am

yeah I knew that most of their 762's were pretty old, so I woulnd't expect us to jump at them.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:42 am

I bet they'll take some of the 767 service out of the domestic routes and put them on the pond-hoppers. That's the only idea I can come up with- as they get more 753s and 738s... they'll take the 757s and 767s and convert them to bizfirst (the 752's I mean) config and fly 'em across the pond.

What other option is there?
Ooh, wait... the 7E7!!!!!!

Uh, well, okay... getting my hopes up.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:03 am

I was looking at the summer schedule, and they have taken the widebodies out of the IAH-LAX route, and tehy will take the 777 out of SDQ for the summer as well, so that will open up a widebody, of course that could do a quick turn down to SDQ and possibly make it back for the TLV flight. THey also eliminated the 76H, on the IAH-MCO flight. SO there are plenty of subs going on with the widebodies and replacing them with 753's. And one RJ (IAH-MCO)!!
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:13 am

Who needs the 767 or 777 or 7E7 when the ERJ-145XRQLRIGW will soon be offered for sale. Let CO use them to operate 6x daily CLE-LGW and 10x daily EWR-LGW and give those other treacherous widebody operators a run for their money.

On a serious note, what is the status on the parked CO heavies? Are they still parked, or are they being used for revenue flights?
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:27 am

Yes, most of the widebodies used for domestic flying have been reassigned; the new delivery 753s will pick up some of the work plus some shuffling of the 757/739 fleet......Remember, even though CO will introduce 2 new transatlantic routes with the 752 this summer (and add a frequency on the EWR-BHX route), they just converted 4 757-200s from international to domestic configuration......thus, I do not think that many more long-haul destinations are planned for the 757 fleet. There are 2 EWR-LAX-EWR roundtrips per day with a 762, one EWR-SDQ-EWR with a 764, and one 762 and one 764 on the EWR-IAH-EWR route......but thats about it for non-overseas widebody flying.

If CO is serious about expanding international destinations and the rumors are correct, I do think that they will need additional aircraft. While I agree that the DL 777s may not be the best alternative, picking up some newer used 763s could be an answer.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:33 am

what about DL's 764's? Is DL turning those orders away as well?
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:46 am

In the short-term, my guess is that any further long haul routes that are announced will be within 757 range, hence the announcement of service to OSL. Also, as was mentioned earlier, they have reallocated aircraft on some routes to free-up long haul aircraft, such as with BHX being twice daily with a 757 instead of once with a 764. Perhaps they could do this in a few other markets? When they first started service to BRU it was with a 757. Maybe they could go back to a 757 on that route and use the 762 for something else? Another possibility might be the LAX-HNL flight, currently operated with a 762. If that was switched to a 757 as well, they would free up a second 762. (And, if they used a domestic configuration 757 from LAX to HNL, they'd actually gain (net) nine seats on each flight.)

Just some thoughts. I hope to see further expansion on CO's routemap soon. Bravo CO. Keep up the good work.

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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:02 am

BRU started out as a DC-10, then briefly was a 757 then went to it's present aircraft a Boeing 767-400.

"Another possibility might be the LAX-HNL flight, currently operated with a 762. If that was switched to a 757 as well, they would free up a second 762. "

The LAX-Honolulu flight as well as the Honolulu- Guam and Guam- Tokyo flights are operated by 767-400s, CO's Pacific 767-400s are configured in a high density confirguration.

If CO wanted they could bring their Pacific 767-400s operating out of Guam back to EWR or IAH, they could replace the double daily Guam-Tokyo flights with 757s. Honolulu-Guam requires a larger 767-400, heavily traveled route and much longer flight.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:05 am

"Remember, even though CO will introduce 2 new transatlantic routes with the 752 this summer (and add a frequency on the EWR-BHX route), they just converted 4 757-200s from international to domestic configuration......thus, I do not think that many more long-haul destinations are planned for the 757 fleet"

CO recently switched their EWR-Lima and EWR-Bogota flights from Business First configured 757s to their standard 757 configuration, I think those recent 4 757-200s were from those routes.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:09 am

I, too, agree that Continental will eventually need more widebodies, but am constantly reassured that they're fine for now with their current fleet capacity. This summer, although the 767s and 777s will be pushed far with the increased services in the markets aforementioned, there will not be a shortage of them in service. And until concrete profitability is reached, a widebody order would be a very risky move. If, however, the increased capacity of 2004 does in fact raise revenues and boosts Continental's finances, and continued growth in international markets is scheduled for next year, then they will have to either squeeze their widebody fleet even further or order some more.

The success of the capacity increase this summer, though, will be a good indicator of what can be expected for the upcoming future of Continental's international route network. Pending favorable results, I bet that we will see several of the cities mentioned on these boards for possible service as new destinations for 2005.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:09 am

what about DL's 764's? Is DL turning those orders away as well?

There are no outstanding 764ER orders for them to turn away...
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:09 am

I bet they'll take some of the 767 service out of the domestic routes and put them on the pond-hoppers
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The domestic widebody flights are generally used for repositioning of aircraft, and also for times when they are not used on longhauls.

Continental does not have any widebody aircraft parked unless you are talking about the 10's, and they will not be coming back.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:10 am

Dutchjet

"There are 2 EWR-LAX-EWR roundtrips per day with a 762, one EWR-SDQ-EWR with a 764, and one 762 and one 764 on the EWR-IAH-EWR route......but thats about it for non-overseas widebody flying."

you are forgetting the daily 762 from EWR-SJU-EWR. This one is also been replace by a 752 for the summer season
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:20 am

I would love to see a 777 300 in CO colours
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:26 am

SJU767 - That EWR-SDQ rotation is operated by a 777, and they fill it up almost every time. Also, there are two trips from LAX to IAH operated by 767's, one 764 and one 762.

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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:04 am

1) Continental Airlines will not be bringing back any of the DC-10's that they have parked and are currently for sale.

2) Continental will be removing some of the domestic wide body flying this summer to support the international expansion.

3) Continental is not planning on converting any more of the 757-200's to the BF configuration.

Continental has done very well over the past few years considering all of the things that have happened. I dout CAL will be getting any further wide body's at this time.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:09 am

I'm not 100% sure but I think this new GUM-HNL flight will be operated by CO Mainline, because i was on our website, looking for flights they gave me that flight and it said nothing about being operated by Air Mike.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:13 am

We have 3 flights a day to NRT from GUM they are:

CO961 715am 955am 767
CO6 100pm 345pm 738
CO963 500pm 740pm 767.

we have alot of japanese traveling with us. I just worked our morning flight to Japan and it was full.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:17 am

Continental has been working on droping the Micronesia name. All of the aircraft now only say Continental and theaircraft also flow back and forth between Mainline and the Micronesia sections. The HNL -GUM flights will all be staffed with the Micronesia Personel
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:30 am

Oh, OK i was just wondering it makes sense since i do the GUM-HNL runs, but Mainline crew work the HNL-IAH run. I hope they don't drop the micronesia name. That has been my hometown and families airline since it started flying out of GUM in 1968, it would be sad to see them go.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:46 pm

I just worked our morning flight to Japan and it was full.
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I am baffled by this. You state that your name is Brandon, yet there are no GUM based flight attendants named Brandon, and looking at the crew list for the early GUM-NRT flight for today, there is no Brandon on the crew. What's the deal ?

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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:55 pm

Brandon isnt really my name. I just used my ex's name cuz I'm scared people would find out where I live if I put my real name on here. Oh by the way what do u do for CO?
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:05 pm

I emailed you privately, I agree with keeping the personals off here.

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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:44 am

STT757:

One of the reasons why we upgraded GUM-NRT to 767's is the large shipments of cargo that we fly between the two. We often get updates on record breaking shipments that they put on. So although sometimes the pax count may be low, hte cargo is making up for the loss of pax revenue.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:58 am

With regards to Guam- Narita I was wondering if they could route a 777 from EWR or IAH through Narita to Guam, better aircraft utilization.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:31 am

According to the CO timetable, the 777s from EWR and IAH sit on the runway in Narita for just about two hours each, not enough time for a run down to GUM. It is interesting to note, however, that CO flt 7, from IAH-NRT, actually continues onto GUM with the same flt # but on one of CMI's 738s.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:52 am

We loose the GUM-SPN-NGO trip at the end of March. NWA will be the only carrier flying that route using a 757. Funny thing is NWA 757 is full almost every day. We are being told we don't make money on that route.I just don't believe it.

That CO NGO flight will now do GUM-SPN-GUM. In the late morning.

Then in August we have Cape Air flying 2 leased ATR-42's {from Cal} they will fly 6 times a day GUM-SPN-GUM. I can see them pulling another 737-800 from the Saipan market. Freeing up another aircraft.

Can anyone add to this..?

As for dropping the Micronesia name. Iwould like to see the unions merge..
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:22 am

I would be sad if we lose a Saipan run. I love working that route. Short and easy. If I'm in coach I just sit the whole time because we sure as hell don't have enough time from take-off to touchdown to serve passengers It's only a 25mn flight from GUM.
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:03 am

Word is the GUM-SPN route with the ATRs will just be to add additional frequencies, since at the moment we only operate about 3 or 4 flights between the two cities, perhaps we pull the midday 737 if they plan to open some other route. There's enough demand, those flights are routinely full. Back in the day, when we operated dual hubs out of GUM and SPN we had roughly 8 or 9 flights daily in either direction (maybe more) with DC-10s, 727s, and whatever other equipment we could find, in addition to the flights to Tinian and Rota with F-27's that continued to Guam. I can't imagine the people of Saipan being too thriled about our near-abandonment of the market, but it has undoubtedly contributed favorably to our bottom line.

COAB767:

I'm curious to know if you speak any Chamorro? Can you tell me about the service on the NRT-GUM flight- is it more BusinessFirst or closer to regular domestic service up front? Also, what gates do we normally operate out of at NRT, and who does our ground handling? How about the crew hotel?

Just checking...
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:11 am

CO have 5 B767-424's that don't seem to service the European markets N76062/N69063/N76064/N76065/N77066 ?

Is this because they are a different configuration or are they Micronesia aircraft. (think the later is unlikley as I have seen one of the above frames at Orlando (CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO)
If the configuration of these aircraft is different would it not make sense to re-configure them for European operations as a stop gap to expansion in Europe?
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:17 am

Just seen it on the CO web-site Continental in 35 - 200 configuration and Micronesia in 20 - 236 configuration (still does'nt explain the one at Orlando?)
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:21 am

I believe that the aircraft mentioned above are the 764s that operate the Hawaiian/Micronesia services: IAH-HNL (2X daily), IAH-OGG, LAX-HNL, HNL-GUM, GUM-NRT. There 764s have a slightly different configuration (20 seats upfront instead of 35) and are needed for the pacific operations. EWR-HNL is not operated by a "Pacific 764" at the moment, thus the aircraft that flies from EWR to HNL one day may fly EWR-BRU the next for example.
 
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RE: More 767s Or 777s For CO?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:22 am

Do CO Micronesia F/A's wear the same uniforms as CO mainline crew? Also, do the inflight announcements distinguish between the two? For example, do they say "Welcome aboard Continental Flight XXX" or "Welcome aboard Continental Micronesia Flight XXX?" Also, is the safety video the same for the two - if so, then no one would be able to tell the difference between the two.

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