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A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:39 am

I find this pic eery. Very sad.  Crying


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You can almost see the poor folks inside. I can definately see the captain.

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:11 am

Yes I did, I was taxiing out for a XC flight when a twin was doing touch n goes right infront of us while we were waiting for our clearance. After we took off and were no more than 10 miles out my friend saw a flash and approach told us that there was a crash. It was that plane and all three died.  Sad
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:12 am

Its heartbreaking to see the pilot all dapper with his tie on Sad
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:20 am

I really believe this trail is morbid and offensive to the memory of everybody who died on that crash, as well as to their families. I even find posting the picture to use it in this way disconcerting.

I have no problem discussing crashes, but this thread is too much.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:21 am

It's sad to see a pic of an aircraft that has crashed after you took the photo Sad
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Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:32 am

Back in 1987 I believe, I was on a SFO-CLE flight with a stop at DTW. Its was a quite night at the airport with a few thunderstorms around. We took off and the only other plane departing was a NW DC-9. Apon arrival in CLE I was told that plane had crashed on takeoff. That was the flight were only the little 3 year old surived.

I will never forget the look on my Moms face when we arrived. I can't even imagine the feeling of hearing a plane crashed in Detroit at almost the same time your son was leaving there. No doubt a feeling I never would have wanted.

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:29 am

I have a photo on this site of a Britannia 737 which crashed around 3 months after the photo was taken (while on lease in Panama), and I didn't know until some years later when I was researching the details of the aircraft to post the photo on this site. That was quite a strange feeling.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:04 am

I don't know about you all, but that pic is really eery to me.

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:23 am

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:27 am

That is Terrible!!! I feel so bad for everyone involved. As good as this photo is, I think it should be removed for obvious purposes.  Crying
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:38 am

That is Terrible!!! I feel so bad for everyone involved. As good as this photo is, I think it should be removed for obvious purposes.

So they should remove every picture of every a/c that crashed? That's basically what you have said.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:42 am

As739x: I remember that DC-9. My dad was working at Cleveland Center that evening. When he came home he told us all about it, and said that all metro tower told them was "don't be expecting him, he crashed off the end."

As for the photo- I find it a fitting tribute. It should stay.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:42 am

The very first plane I took the controls in, a C152, N24961 crashed near RNM and killed both on board a couple days after I had flown it. I loved that little plane!  Sad
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:45 am

B747-437B,

With all due respect to you, the victims, and their families - wasn't 334AA the first to hit WTC?

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:59 am

I was a passenger on the same AA 757 that was involved in 9-11 from SNA-ORD a few days before.


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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:24 am

I'm sorry, I have to plead ignorance. I'm assuming this TW DC-9 crashed shortly after this picture was taken. Am I correct?
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:28 am

From what I read, you are correct Spoon04
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:30 am

Check out the nose gear, 90 degrees.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:01 am

That is correct Spoon04- The flight was operating PIT-DAY and it hit a GA aircraft.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:21 am

How awful... Thanks for the reply. What year did this accident take place?
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:26 am

March 9, 1967.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:37 am

Yikes.. Thanks for giving me a good shot of the 'chills' 727LOVER.

Its truly heartbreaking to be looking at a pilot who, in just a shot time later, would be struggling to.. Well, enough of that. Chilling indeed.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:43 am

Spoon04, click on the picture, read the caption from the photographer, all the info on the tragedy is there if you want it.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:35 pm

I think it's really scary seeing a photo of a plane just before it crashed.

Never happened to me before.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:53 pm

Um.. not to change the subject, but, wouldn't you agree that the clarity of this this photo is incredible considering it was taken it 1967?

just observing,
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:06 pm

GulfstreamGuy,

Take a look at some of the photographer's other pictures. He's got some very beautiful shots in his collection, a lot of which really exemplary of another age of aviation. Amazing what "old" analog technology can do, huh?
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:06 pm

If I'm not mistaken, this is somewhat of a famous accident.

IIRC, the aircraft was a Baron flying VFR. I believe this accident contributed directly to the FAA implementing the 250kt below 10,000' rule...actually, I believe it was later that year.

So, at least in that regard, it can be said that the persons on board did not die in vain.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:07 pm

i have an Airliner disaster book that shows a picture of a plane taxing by the crash site of this other plane (i believe in Japan), 45 minutes later the plane that taxies by crashes.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:25 pm

IT is very sad.

What I don;t understand is why people are saying this should be deleted as a thread. I mean, we have multiple images of COncorde's only crash, what makes this so bad?

IT is very unfortunate, I know. But hardly an issue for deletion.



To back what was said above, yes that photographers collection is a retroflashback. very nice!
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:35 pm

the pic that hlywdcft was talking about is of a BOAC 707 taxiing past a CP DC-8 that crashed the night before while landing.about 30 minutes later,the 707 broke up on the lee side of mt.fuji in severe clear air turbulance.very sad indeed. Sad
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:48 pm

APP - I remember that Britannia 737-200 you mentioned. It was G-BGYL. I have a photo of it in NCL, with a Dan air 737-400 in the background. I don't know the date i took it, but i can have only been about 10/11y.o.

A friend told me a few years later that it was this a/c that crashed in Panama, after I had seen a very good documentary on the crash. I believe the a/c was in partial Britannia colours, too.

If I remeber correctly, the cause of the crash was found to be some faulty wiring (pls correct me if i am wrong); which leads me to believe that if this a/c had not been out on lease, it would almost certailnly have still crashed, albeit in Europe with British holidaymakers on board. Although no less tragic, it would have brought the impact a lot closer to home for ourselves, and indeed Britannia....

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Ref the TWA DC-9, i believe this is a tragic photo, but do not believe that this thread/photo should be removed for that reason. Its just very chilling, thats all....
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:59 pm

It is very sad to see a photograph of a plane , knowing the plane crashed so shortly after the photo was taken. The photo of the BOAC 707 mentioned above give a same strange feeling.

Here in The Netherlands we have also a picture like that. EL AL's Boeing 747F 4X-AXG was photographed on arrival at Schiphol on October 4th, 1992, hours before it lost engines 3 & 4, lost control, and crashed into the Amsterdam suburb of Bijlmermeer with the loss of 43 lives
 
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Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:15 pm

i couldn't find the pic i wrote about earlier,put here's the plane in question


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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:22 pm

For me:

Jan 29, 2001. a/c N963AS was parked outside the SEA AS hangar on RON. I helped clean some items inside the a/c with a hangar line mechanic and did some skilled duties with him in the main cabin. I remember it was a cold and rainy night. Then on Jan 31, 2001, flight 261 happened; a/c 963 crashed off the coast of California from PVR to SFO-SEA. This a/c just got new paint on it and hearing the news of that crash really paralized me and it was hard to grasp that I could have been on that flight, expecially working on that plane. It was a very hurtful feeling.
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Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:43 pm

Well AR385-you dont have to read it
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:52 pm

Most of you won't believe this, but it is the truth.

In the spring of 1979 I flew from DFW to TUL to spend the weekend with family. As we were taxiing to the gate I looked out and saw an AA DC-10 sitting on the ramp at Hangar 5, the big hangar AA built for 747's. I sensed something about the plane, but didn't think much of it at the time.

A few weeks later an AA DC-10 dropped an engine at ORD and crashed, killing all on-board and several on the ground. After piecing information together from the Tulsa World and other media sources I became convinced that I had seen just that plane at TUL. It had been at AA's maintenance base at TUL, and while there the engine mount was damaged, which would later cause the engine to drop off and the plane to crash. I will always be convinced that I saw the DC-10 that later crashed at ORD.

It's the ony time I've had that feeling, which I can't describe. I've thought about it often since then.

Sad indeed.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:56 pm

Date: 09 MAR 1967
Time: 11.53 EST
Type: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-15
Operator: Trans World Airlines - TWA
Registration: N1063T
Msn / C/n: 45777/80
Year built: 1967
Engines: 2 Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7
Crew: 4 fatalities / 4 on board
Passengers: 21 fatalities / 21 on board
Total: 25 fatalities / 25 on board
Collision casualties: 1 fatalities
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: near Urbana, OH (USA)
Phase: Descent
Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: Pittsburgh International Airport, PA (PIT)
Destination airport: Dayton-James Cox Dayton International Airport, OH (DAY)
Flightnumber: 553
Remarks:
TWA 553 operated on a flight from New York to Chicago via Harrisburgh, Pittsburgh, and Dayton. The aircraft operated on an IFR flight plan in visual flight conditions and had been cleared to descend from FL200 to 3000ft. While descending through 4525ft the DC-9 collided with a Beechcraft 55 (N6127V operated by the Tann Comp.) which was on a flight to Springfield. The descending DC-9, overtaking and converging from the left, struck the level Beechcraft from the left rear quarter. The collision angle between longitudinal axes of the two aircraft was approx. 47deg in the horizontal plane and 10deg down in the vertical plane. The collision destroyed the Beechcraft by causing it to disintegrate; portions of the Beech penetrated the forward fuselage section of the DC-9 and destroyed the integrity of the flight control system. The DC-9 entered a descending left turn, crashed and burned. The Beechcraft was not under control of, or in radio contact with any FAA traffic facility. Weather at the time of the collision was thin broken clouds with 6-7 miles visibility in haze.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The failure of the DC-9 crew to see and avoid the Beechcraft. Contributing to this cause were physiological and environmental conditions and the excessive speed of the DC-9 which reduced visual detection capabilities under an air traffic control system which was not designed or equipped to separate a mixture of controlled and uncontrolled traffic."
Follow-up / safety actions::
The NTSB suggested some changes in the air traffic control system . Also, the Board recommended the development of a practical Collision Avoidance System (CAS). Following this accident the FAA issued Advisory Circular 90-32 titled 'Air traffic control and general operations, radar capabilities and limitations'. Also a rule was adopted establishing that all aircraft flying below 10,000ft msl will be limited to a maximum speed of 250kts effective December 15, 1967 to provide a more realistic 'see and avoid' environment.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:03 pm

The Britannia 737-200 you refer to which crashed while flying for Copa Panama in 1992 was flown on by me in 1987.

I remember when I first discovered this data base and looking up the registrations I remembered I had flown previously. I was a bit spooked to see the Jean Batten which took me from Alicante to Newcastle was the same aircraft which crashed in the jungle 5 years later. It was still in Britannia's livery and had red copa titles. the crash could have occured any time, as it was an itermittent fault with a giro onboard.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:39 pm


Hi!

This is amazing! I think the only time I seen something closer like this one is in the book Air Disaster 1 the photo of the BOAC 707-436 G-APFE parked and latter taxiing for take off at Tokyo. But the quality of this one is much better!
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:26 am

Does anyone know how fast they were going?? They were only about 4500' MSL (per aviation-safety.net), and must have been going faster that 250 indicated. That is a smoking groundspeed... can you imagine seeing a plane do >300 mph groundspeed at 4000 feet?.... that would curl your toes... LOL

 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:39 am

edited ... accidental repost

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:21 am

HlywdCatft

I have that same book. Air Disaster - Volume 1. I think it was a BOAC 707-320 that took off from Tokyo or something and it taxied by another company plane that crashed the previous evening in a torrential rain storm. I could be mistaken but I do know it was a 707.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:55 am

The photo of the BOAC 707: firstly, it was a -436, not a -320. Secondly, the wreck it taxied past was a CPAir DC8 which crashed short the previous night, not another BOAC. Indeed once they got the Comet 1 out of the way, BOAC were very safe, sometimes more by luck than judgement though it must be said. For more info on BOAC in their early days, see my article:

http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=5
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:08 am

I flew on board AA A300 N14053 in June of 2001, then on November 12, 2001 it crashed in NYC. very wierd thinking about that.
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:26 am

In the summer of 1967 I had just gotten off a DL flight at ATL on my way to camp when a PI 727 collided with a private plane over Hendersonville NC; I remember the commotion and overhearing a desk agent tell a coworker, "Piedmont dropped one"--have never forgotten that expression. As a result we were bussed the rest of the way to camp--I'm a little ashamed to admit it now, but I remember being more concerned that I was gypped out of flying my all-time favorite plane on to AVL (where the PI 727 had taken off from): the UA Viscount.

I was once on the NA 72S that wound up later with PA and crashed, sometime in the 80s, on t/o from MSY bound for LAS--don't have my book with me to tell you the tail number.
 
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:11 am

I was once on the NA 72S that wound up later with PA and crashed, sometime in the 80s, on t/o from MSY bound for LAS--don't have my book with me to tell you the tail number.

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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:41 am

I find it more sad than eerie. The dapper pilot making the turn to start his doomed flight just bums me out.

One thing that I actually like about the photo is the view from the old observation deck. I remember it was a dime to get thru the turnstile. The view of the taxiway up the slight incline to the runway brought back some memories. The old jets would be lined up on that little hill every time. (Pittsburgh was a "bigger" city comparitively back then!)
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RE: A Very Sad Picture.... Ever Happen To You?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:54 am

That is a sad and eerie photo, thank you for sharing it with us, I don't agree that it should be deleted. If anything, it's a wake up call, reminds us of our own mortality. And it's scary.

I heard a member here mention once that the rules of flight are written in blood....a graphic expression perhaps...but also true.  Sad I can't see the pax, but I can see the pilot...shaking head...the more i go on about it the sadder I'll get.


Anyway, I had an incident like this happen with me as well, no one died, thankfully, but no less disturbing.

I worked an internship out at the airport for a while, and got to wash the planes often. We have a small flight school out there that owns a collection of cessnas and twins and even a king air, they also charter these aircraft out to people. This internship was done through school so it was a learning experience as well as fun, and included a discovery flight or two.

4 Charlie Bravo was what we called this one plane. I can't recall the whole registration. It was the lightest, most sparsely equipped Cessna we had, and everyone loved it. Because it was so light, you could easily grab the nosewheel with both hands and lift the nose of the plane up, balancing it on it's hind gears. Came in handy when you wanted to mop the floor without having to tow the plane out.

It was comfortable too, once my little sister decided to come out and visit me at the hangar, and i gave her a tour of the place. I then sat her in the left seat for 4 Charlie Bravo and showed her how to turn on the lights, what buttons do what, how the plane is started, etc. In a sense I sort of adopted this plane...on my breaks I sometimes went out and sat in it to go over the control layout again to prepare for another discovery flight. Which I eventually got....twice. Never thought I'd grow to actually like a Cessna.

My internship ended in January of 2003.


A month or two ago, we heard about a plane crash on the news, up near the Idaho Falls area. Apparently the plane, a single engine cessna, lost control due to buildup of ice on the wings and went down in a field, completely destroying the aircraft and seriously injuring the occupants. How they managed to stay alive after that crash I'll never know. They were very lucky.

Then they showed the picture of the plane on the news. Wings broken off, front smashed in, almost unrecognizable as an aircraft. But the tail, sticking out of the ground at a 30 degree angle....ended with "4CB", Four Charile Bravo...and it was orange and white, which confirmed it. The plane that I'd had fun with for the months of my internship, learning about cessna ops, and even showing my sister how it works....lie smashed to bits in a field. And I could have been on it. I've been in that plane, alot. Who's to say that couldnt have been me on that flight, and I'd end up less fortunate than those who survived. It was just eerie, and heartbreaking. Like losing an old friend.

I posted about it on the board that evening...it resulted in a thread sort of similar to this one, of people remembering planes they'd been on that crashed.


Anyway, thought I'd share that.