latinaviation
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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:46 pm

I was flipping through an old book and came across a photo of a Guy America 707. Does anyone know about them? Based on the name, and I think I remember reading this, they flew to Guyana; I think JFK-GEO (Georgetown, Guyana)?


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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:52 pm

Yes, your memory doesn't fail you! They started service in June 1981. Later on they operated charter services to Europe as American Overseas Airways. After a short live their certificates were revoked by the FAA.
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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:06 pm

Thanks for the information. It's too bad they didn't last longer, but I assume one airplane with one route, it was difficult to make money.

I wonder how North American and Universal do on their routes to Guyana?
 
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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:19 am

LatinAviation

Well, if MY memory doesnt't fail me now, Guy America operated a couple of 707s. They even purchased a number of DC8s, however, they were never put into operation.

The founder of Guy America was a pilot with PanAm, and I think for the New York - Guyana run Guy America even used dormant PanAm traffic rights.

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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:51 am

Formed by ex-Pan Am pilot Anthony Tirri, Guy America Airways received an International-Territorial certificate from the CAB and began scheduled service on June 2, 1981, between New York and Georgetown, Guyana, using the dormant route authority previously held by Tirri's employer. The company planned to expand its services in the Caribbean, but instead began European charters as American Overseas Airways. The airline's certificates were revoked in March 1983 for FAA and CAB violations. It had also purchased three DC8-62 but never operated them.


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latinaviation
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Guy America. What do you know about them?

Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:06 pm

Tony Tirri? This guy has had better success outside of running an airline than within it. He has owned several airline leasing companies, I believe he still does, and maintains substantial business interests in Puerto Rico.

Thanks for the background, Prinair.
 
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RE: Guy America. What Do You Know About Them?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:55 am

Guy America pretty much filled the void left after Pan Am pulled out of Georgetown back in the early 80's. Service didn't last very long as was the case with most charter carriers on the JFK-GEO route (i.e. Leisure Air, Star Air, Caribe, Arrow Air, Rich International etc).

As for North American and Universal, I flew out of GEO yesterday on NA and the flight was pretty full considering this was off peak. Tried to get on the Saturday flight but that was sold out. NA's 757 service is doing quite well although it is hard to maintain during the summer, christmas and weekends when most Guyanese tend to travel, the problem here being the high baggage load, short runway and excessive heat which results in payload restrictions. During these times, it is not uncommon to see the B767 on the route. As for Universal, I heard they are having a hard time filling up the 767 during the offpeak periods. During the week, load is limited to about 150 pax per flight, about 200 on weekends, so you can see its not feasible to operate such a large aircraft yearround. I only hope they are making up revenue when they stop in POS and St. Kitts. BeeWee seems to be doing quite well, although they also face the same baggage problems as NA due to the lack of baggage space on the B737-800. JFK-GEO is a huge market, seeing as they're about 250,000 Guyanese residing in the New York area alone, about 500,000 in the United States total, thats almost as much people as they're are in Guyana. AA was supposed to start GEO but that never materialized. Hope this helps!