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JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:47 am

Due to a lucky coincidence, my girlfriend and I have the chance to fly for one week to Tokyo without paying much for the trip Big grin. Currently we are planning a two day trip to Osaka, we want to take the Shinkansen high speed train on the outward journey to see something from the Japanese countryside, but for the return journey we decided to fly (especially because I will use the chance to get a flight on the B 777-300).

Somehow I can't decide which airline we should take because I never flew on both of them and their fares are the same (approximately 140 EUR on Expedia.de). I heard that the seat configuration is very cramped on flights within Japan (I can't find seat maps on the website of both airlines) and since I am a very tall guy I want to know which of them offers the best seat comfort in Economy Class.

Has anyone flew on JAL and/or ANA within Japan? Which of them would you recommend when seat pitch is the most important criteria?

Thanks in advance for your reply!

Patrick
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:55 am

Osaka Itami to Tokyo Haneda is less than an hour flight. Seat pitch is not a problem IMO, and I'm 1.87M. Haven't flown JAL but ANA is a great airline. Domestic inflight service is limited to a drink, alcohol is available at 500Yen. If you think it's worth it you could go for a superseat. Superseat is the domestic name for business class seat. These seats are very comfortable and very wide, coinciddentaly I've also tried them on the 777-300. The 777-300 has only 12 super seats. When flying around breakfast, lunch or dinner hours, you get a meal served, other times of the day only a snack. Alcohol is free in superseat class and newspapers are provided. To get a superseat, just show up at check in on time and ask if you can upgrade to superseat. If seats are available you can upgrade for about 30 to 40 euros.
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:08 am

Thanks for the quick reply with detailed information! An upgrade for 30-40 EUR sounds very good, I think I will book an ANA flight in Economy Class and hope that there are Superseats available.

Will I get double miles as a LH Miles & More member when I am flying within Japan on ANA in a Superseat?

And a little bit off-topic: I heard that Japan is damn expensive (food, drinks, taxi), can someone confirm this?

Patrick
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:24 am

Yes you'll get double miles on you Miles and More account. Japan isn't cheap, but the reasonable good exchange rate makes up for it. Public transport is very well organized and extremely punctual in Japan, you should be able to get around without using a (very expensive) taxi.

If you didn't book your flight yet, try to book trough the ANA sales office, I find that they always offer the best fares. Usually about 100 euro for any domestic flight, if purchased from outside Japan etc.
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:35 am

If you didn't book your flight yet, try to book trough the ANA sales office

Thanks for the tip. I just saw on the German ANA website that they have an office in FRA, I will write them an eMail with a booking inquiry. Funny that flying is almost as cheap as the train, the Tokio-Osaka fare on the Shinkansen is around 103 EUR.

The first thing that I'll do tomorrow is to buy a tourist guide for Japan, somehow I was never really interested to visit this country but now I am getting really curious.

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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:16 am

I've flown domestically in Japan on both airlines, and all different a/c types. The seat pitch is fine, not noticably tight. I'd guess 32" - 33". Certainly felt no better or worse than regular flights on Qantas or Ansett (in my ANA-flying days).

Maybe you get better deals in Europe for upgrading to Super Seat, but from here, or in Japan itself, it is very expensive, and for such short flights, not worth the extra. Save that money to go 1st (Green) Class on the Shinkansen. That IS worth the extra money.

Have a great trip and enjoy Japan. You can eat reasonably cheaply if you use the small restaurants which are situated at street level, underneath the railway lines, particularly at/around the rail stations. Also, you can buy excellent fresh food from the food halls of the department stores. Buy a variety, then go sit in a park in the sun and enjoy.
 
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:02 pm

Staralliance have a visit Japan fare which is slightly cheaper than ANA's visit Japan fare. You have to fly a minimum of 2 flights and the price is the same regardless off length of flight.
I have just booked NRT-ITM ITM-HND HND-KIX for £170 + £20 booking fee.
Booked it through the LH ticket desk which was a bit of a nightmare (Nobody seemed to know anything about it!) so would try ANA.

http://www.staralliance.com/star_alliance/star/frame/main.html
 
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:04 pm

If you are only flying from HND-ITM it is much cheaper to book through the Home page of ANA

check out http://www.ana.co.jp/eng


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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:39 pm

Don't think so you have to go through the airline or a booking agent.
ANA & JAL don't seem to take domestic reservations over the internet.
The only way to book is by phone, ticket desk or travel agent.
You can check fares and availability online.

The one way ANA fare (cheapest) HND - ITM is 18,500 jpy limited availability super wari or birthday wari fare and then its still more expensive than the staralliance airpass at 11,500 jpy any sector.
(Have to say thought the £20 booking fee was out of order!)
 
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:22 pm

I have flown both ANA and JAL, as well as Skymark, but I don't think that they fly to Osaka yet.

JAL is good, the 777-300 is a blast, and sitting in the back, you really feel that tail yaw when in a crosswind. Seat pitches in coach on JAL's 777-300 are satisfactory, comparable with the seat pitch of most American carriers, if you don't mind 3-4-3 seating. I flew Business in JAL and the seats were more than ample, even if the service wasn't much for a domestic flight. That flight was in a 777-200 on flight 155 from NRT-FUK, the once daily domestic run to FUK out of Narita.

I flew ANA in a 747-400D and the service was great, and the seats were more than enough in coach. It's not a long flight from where I was leaving and going to...HND to FUK. The fun thing about a 747-400D is that they are ROCKETSHIPS. They use so little runway and you take off at an incredible AOA. Very fun, and I think they beat out the 777 experience totally.
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RE: JAL/ANA Seat Pitch On Domestic Flights?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:16 am

Hey guys,

thanks for all the information! I just returned from the bookstore and the travel agency, I bought a Japan tourist guide and two NH Superseat tickets (ITM-HND) for 151 EUR each, they were only 10 EUR more expensive than Economy Class on Expedia.de.

KA501,

too bad that I didn't read about ANA's visit Japan fare before, that I had booked an additional flight to get a ride on the 747-400 Domestic Version, anyway, thanks for the information.

Airbear,

thanks for the tip about the Green Class on the Shinkansen train, I will look how much more expensive it is compared to the regular class (103 EUR). If there is only a few EUR difference (like on the flight), I will go for it. Sounds like: Travel in style  Big thumbs up.

Patrick
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