Sydscott
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US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:19 pm


Can anyone tell me whether US Airways currently has any trans-atlantic route rights that it doesn't use?? For example I know they used to fly Philadelphia-Brussels and Pittsburgh-Paris.

Any info or links to any websites where I can find the info is appreciated.
 
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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:30 pm

I know there are only three dormant routes - Charlotte-Paris, Philadelphia-Brussels, and Pittsburgh-Paris (however, I think the CLT-CDG right may have been moved to PIT-CDG, which was flown after CLT-CDG - both have since been discontinued though).



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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:38 pm


Was just reading that in the early 90's they used to fly from Baltimore to London Gatwick. Do they still have this or was it moved as well??
 
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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:42 pm

The route was inherited from Piedmont. US Airways no longer flies the route - they only fly to LGW from PHL and CLT (and PIT this summer).

BWI-LGW was Piedmont's flagship route - flown with the Pride of Piedmont - the Boeing 767-200ER.  Big thumbs up


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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:45 pm


But do they still have the right to do it or did they lose or move it to PHL/PIT/CLT???
 
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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:22 pm

N670UW:

PI flew CLT-LGW when they merged with USAir. BWI and PHL to LGW were later bought from TWA after AA was denied the right to purchase them. I am not sure whether the authority is still valid or not.
 
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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:31 pm


So the Pittsburgh-London Gatwick could be using the authority originally granted for BWI-Gatwick???

 
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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:39 pm

Ahh I remember flying PI CLT-LGW when I was maybe 8 yrs old (or maybe it was 10)-1989 I think. I think it was my first transatlantic flight- what a trip that turned was. 3 days in London then BA 757 (first 757 flight also- I remember at the time thinking that they were very uncomfortable for some reason) LHR-BA), Turkey">IST. Maybe it was because I was used to widebodies on longer flights- which is a scarcity now and I totally dont mind the 737/757/A32x transcon... Then I lost track of the airlines and airplane types unfortunately but I know we went BA), Turkey">IST-CAI. And then somehow we ended up in TLV and then in Jordan but I can't remember how, via what equipment- which is a shame. Could you even fly from CAI-TLV in 1989? Anyway I think we flew Royal Jordanian back to London and completed the LGW-CLT flight on PI... I loved PI- it was really the only airline that served my hometown (FLO) but when US took it over there was no drop in service with access to a larger domestic network...

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RE: US Airways Transatlantic Routes

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:52 pm

The routes US has discontinued are CLT-CDG, PIT-CDG, BWI-LGW, BOS-FRA, and PHL-BRU. BRU is the only European city US has pulled out of entirely.

There are lots of routes US could fly if it wanted to. Back in the day, US had to apply for its PHL/CLT/PIT-PAR rights, for example. (In fact, it applied for BOS-PAR, but lost to AA.) But now, the US and France have open skies, making the whole idea of "rights" lose a bit of meaning. US Airways now holds broad all-points US-France authority, meaning it can (basically) operate between any point in the United States and any point in France. Similarly, US Airways holds broad US-Netherlands authority, and broad US-United Kingdom (except LGW/LHR) authority, just for examples.

And just because they don't currently hold an authority doesn't mean they can't get it. There are plenty of authorities that they don't hold that they could get if they wanted. Indeed, they can even sometimes get authorities which are seemingly forbidden by bilaterals. US recently applied for MCO-BDA authority. MCO is not a valid gateway to BDA according to the US-UK bilateral. However, the UK permitted the route to be flown on an extrabilateral basis, and US Airways was granted the authority. BDA is obviously not in Europe, but the example holds.

Obviously, the LHR/LGW market, in particular, isn't quite as liberal as most.  Smile

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