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Flying Belgian
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Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:03 pm

Hello all,

I was wondering why OneWorld wasn't expanding anymore ?

With the news of SAA joining Star and NW-KL-CO-SU on the move to SkyTeam, this is strange isn't it ?

Is One World blocked by the lack of BA/AA anti-trust agreement ?

Wouldn't Japan Airlines be a valuable new member ? What about Chinese/Taiwan carriers ?

Thanks for sharing your opinions !!


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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:08 pm

Hi there

Well, SWISS is joining this year but of course they don't contribute a lot of new destinations to OneWorld. At least they can source out some capacity to the ZRH hub...

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:35 pm

You are right Belgia...OneWorld needs more Asian airlines. Cathay is not enough to take advantage of that market.
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:38 pm

And is it just me, or is the oneworld alliance being less marked than Star or SkyTeam ?
The other alliances have special-liveried a/C and/or the alliance logo.
Never seen EI really advertise its oneworld membership, for instance.

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:41 pm

OneWorld definitely should do something in the way of adding another carrier. They used to be my favorite alliance, but since growth was so stagnant, I started liking SkyTeam! OneWorld is doing fine in Europe, but another carrier in Asia would be a big boost. As far as marketing for the alliance goes, it seems to lack in that area too, when being compared to Star and SkyTeam.

I don't know how many people know this, but probably about 4 years ago or so, BWI officials were pitching to OneWorld about making BWI a major US gateway, to counter Star's large presence at IAD. BWI has AA, BA, and EI from OneWorld. Since I saw that newspaper story, none of the remaining OneWorld members have started service to BWI.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:06 pm

Growth for growth's sake alone will weaken the overall strength and quality of the alliance. I'm sure CI or BG would LOVE to join OneWorld but would they be valuable additions? IMO *A has managed this much better than SkyTeam which definitely has some dodgy alliance members (KE? SU? Surprised they're in the same alliance considering KAL007, AZ? Hardly what I'd call quality... mind you I've flown all of the above). OneWorld does need to grow and needs two more asian airlines, perhaps JL and MU (rumored at one point to be joining OneWorld).
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:09 pm

Flying Belgian,
You hit the nail right on the head. I strongly believe that the growth of Oneworld is being held back by the lack of BA/AA antitrust immunity in the US.
For that matter neither EI or IB has an openskies or antitrust immunity from the US. Likewise neither does CX. Cant possibly see how it can grow until those matters are cleared. In all honesty I wonder how much those issues had to do with SAA deciding to join Star Alliance.I cant see how long BA can continue to hold out not opening up LHR so that they may get their US anti trsut immunity.
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:33 pm

The question is how much growth One World really needs at the moment.
I think first the current OW Member shave to grow itself within Oneworld to establish a stronger and better Alliance, there still many things to do.

If this is completed you can look for new members. It does not make sense
just to add some more airlines on the list.

This year Swiss will be a New Member.

JAL is on the list for quite a while, but they will not decide untill there merger
with JAS is completed, I guess.

In my point of view Star Alliance has far to many airlines, to many different
standards.


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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:07 am

As mentioned before, growth for growth's sake is not the answer. oneworld passengers are likely to experience a more seamless experience since they can still travel around the world but on fewer carriers. That would be preferable to me. SWISS is joing the alliance this year, and JAL has been invited but have yet to make a decision. I suspect if the codeshare between AA and AeroMexico works well, we could see an invite to them, too.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:39 am

Don't get me wrong, I did say that it wouldn't hurt for OneWorld to add another carrier, but that was simply because Star and SkyTeam were growing when OneWorld was not. I also believe that Star is larger than it needs to be, and I don't feel that any alliance needs more than 11 or 12 carriers.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:18 am

AII4BWI
I agree with you.Your words are mine  Smile

LAN707:
I agree with you,too.And who Know...perhaps Star could divide in 2 groups.I've
a rumour that say it UA and other airlines members are not happy at all with SQ.But this is a little rumour from a poor source.
Anyway,is better quality than size.OW is OK with 8/10 members.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:49 am

Well, LX is joining soon and I am sure oneworld would be thrilled to get MX to join. I am sure that AA and IB's codeshares with MX have not only fueled speculation in Mexico but also within oneworld that MX might be next. If you want my opinion, I don't see that happening, though.

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:35 pm

oneworld airlines receive more Airline of the Year nominations than other alliances

oneworld airlines have received more nominations than carriers from any other alliance in this year's Airline of the Year awards, sponsored by OAG, the flight information group. oneworld's eight partners have been shortlisted 21 times, while Star's 14 partners received 18 nominations, and SkyTeam's six members just two between them. The winners will be announced at a ceremony in London on 20 May.

Among oneworld carriers British Airways has been shortlisted in most categories, a total of seven. American Airlines and Cathay Pacific each have five nominations, Qantas three and LanChile one. Member elect Swiss International Air Lines has also been shortlisted in one class.

AA, BA and Cathay have all been nominated for Best Business Class and Best First Class, along with Star's Singapore.



This proves quality, and not quantity is the key to success.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:56 pm

This proves quality, and not quantity is the key to success.

I could not agree more with this! While Oneworld may have fewer airlines, I think they have the top airlines in terms of quality. In my opinion, quality far out weighs quality and that is the reason Oneworld is my favorite alliance.

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:05 pm


The reason why you aren't seeing the growth us because all the Oneworld Carriers were joined at the hip before they entered. Take QF/BA and QF/AA as an example. Take BA/AA and their plans. Take CX/AA, Swiss/BA, BA/Iberia, QF/LAN etc etc. They all had code shares, various lounge access, various frequent flyer arrangements etc before they actually entered the alliance. Skyteam may be growing and in the news but thats because its members keep announcing more co-operation with one-another. Oneworld already has this and can definitely do more with one-another before they start looking for new members.

As for another Asian carrier the only one that would join Oneworld is JAL and they have repeatedly said no. They already have arrangements with a few of the Oneworld Carriers however so this will probably change in the future. Jal will be another quality flag carrier to add to the Oneworld stable.
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:14 pm

Many good analysis IMO.

It would be great to see some Chinese carriers joining OneWorld.

The future of Air Transport will be played in China.

Are there any solutions in sight in the BA/AA issue ?


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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:20 pm

It would be great if a Middle Eastern airline joins the alliance. With MEA planning to join Skyteam, Gulf Air leaning towards Star and Emirates stating it will stay out of any alliance for the time being, other viable options to join would be Egyptair, Royal Jordanian and possibly Saudi Arabian Airline. The former two seem to be more likely.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:45 am

Good question, Flying Belgian... when will AA and BA finally be able to codeshare on transatlantic flights, and be able to share their frequent flier program on transatlantic flights?

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:52 am

With MEA planning to join Skyteam, Gulf Air leaning towards Star

I always thought Gulf Air is a oneworld material rather than Star. If you purchase Oneworld Global Explorer RTW ticket, you can use any of the alliance members flights, plus Gulf Air.

http://www.westernair.co.uk/rtwglobalexplorer.html
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:04 am

I think it is only a matter of time before we start seeing the world alliances invite Chinese carriers. The potential of the domestic Chinese market and the China-Asia/Pacific, China-Europe and China-North America is so huge that having a big Chinese airline will be a major necessity of each of the alliances.
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:15 am

Korean Air flies to 13 chinese cities while JAL flies to 10 (incl codeshares), excluding HKG & TPE flights. Of course you cannot beat the coverage offered by a native airline. CX & CI are useless as they don't fly to mainland China.
 
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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:39 am

Attracting Emirates in a global alliance deal will be THE deal...

GF would already be a strong added value to OneWorld.

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RE: Why No More Growth @ OneWorld?

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:39 am

Would like to see the following airlines in OneWorld:
-JAL
-TACA
-Mexicana
-Emirates
Just dreaming doesn't hurt anybody but I'm sure one of these airlines will join before 2006... My word!!!
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