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Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:22 am

http://www.flycity.de/Bilder/An_Bord/fue9.jpg

that's when I'm asking myself if it's really necessary NOT to smoke in the cabin...  Insane
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:50 am

GROSS! Just looking at the cloud of smoke around their heads is enough to make one refrain, let alone the certain death that could result should the cigarette not be put out appropriately.  Smokin cool
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:58 am

Smocking? LOL. I thought that was some sort of a euphemism when I first saw the topic.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:59 am

Look at the pedestrial panel, they are just Marlboro Lights, so they'll kill much slower...  Big grin Anyway I'm not surprised by this picture, I've heard from a pilot on this forum that he too smokes in the cockpit (was very surprised then when reading it though).

Kind regards and happy smoking!

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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:46 am

Smocks are a great, stylish and practical alternative to your typical pilot's uniform! Smocks in the cockpit....how fab!


P.S. The topic is a good reminder to all to use the spell check key.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:48 am

I'm guessing smoking in the cockpit is a european thing, seeing as it's illeagal here in the US.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:02 am

Where do you guys see "Smocking?"

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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:04 am

Uhh... in the topic line.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:27 am

Yeah sorry. I thought you guys were referring to something in the post.

My bad Laugh out loud
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:35 am

I was about to get my wife to rush over here and read this thread about smocking in the cockpit, when I discovered it was a typo. Oh well! I was hopeful we could generate some kind of common interest between sewing and aviation. Get to spend some quality time together. I guess it's not to be. I'm just destined to be one of those folks with AIDS (Airport Induced Divorce Syndrome).
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:55 pm

Maybe Smocking is a euphemism for some other activity and lighting a cigarette is what some people do after they have been smocking  Smile

The topic is a good reminder to all to use the spell check key

Smocking is an acceptable word to the spell checker.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:56 pm

N776UA,

yes is is illegal in the US but that doesnt mean that all pilots are following the rules. There are no smoke detection systems in the cockpit, and now that the cockpit door is always locked with no visitors alowed its kinda hard for the FAA to catch them in the act. I know several pilots who smoke in the cockpit, I even know of a few pilots and mechanics who know how to disable the smoke detector in the lav, and will have a cigarette mid flight.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:59 pm

Interesting to see that smoking is so alien to the young that they don't know even the correct spelling of the word... or is that the education system being so alien??
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:57 am

On FL's 717s, there used to be vents at the bottom of the door, but now they have been replaced with panels.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:09 am

Hehe,

Three packs of Marlboro lights lying on the pedestal. Big grin

I've heard of low visibility outside the cockpit, but I wonder what they would do about low visiblity inside the cockpit???  Nuts
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:10 am

Not really a European thing any longer, at least not in general. Most countries ban smoking in airports, planes and so on.

I have found that the most "smoking friendly" countries are Italy, Spain, Greece, Germany (off and on), Denmark, France and the UK. But I would be surprised if they tolerated smoke in the cockpit.



My friend sat in the jumpseat on Iran Air on approach and landing to Tehran a couple of years ago. He said the pilot was chainsmoking the whole time.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:20 am

I know several pilots who smoke in the cockpit, I even know of a few pilots and mechanics who know how to disable the smoke detector in the lav, and will have a cigarette mid flight.

By FAA rules, you are LEGALLY required to report this.

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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:28 am

FB05,

Dont get your panties into a twist about this...
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:31 am


As long as the other guy doesn´t object (right to a smoke-free working environment etc.) it´s perfectly acceptable in Germany.

>>>that's when I'm asking myself if it's really necessary NOT to smoke in the cabin...

Because the pilot knows

a) how to extinguish his fag properly

and

b) the possible dire consequences if he doesn´t.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:42 am

FB05 not he's not required to report it. Look from where Skydrolboy is, the FAA has no jurisdiction in Canada.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:52 am

If smoking keeps the pilot awake, then I'm all for it. Compared to other substances that have long been associated with 'flying' I'm all for the harmless sneeky fag on-board.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:53 am

Where in the FAR's does it say that smoking is illegal in the cockpit?

It does say smoking is not permitted when the "No Smoking" sign is illuminated, it says nothing prohibiting crewmembers:

91.517 Passenger information.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate an airplane carrying passengers unless it is equipped with signs that are visible to passengers and flight attendants to notify them when smoking is prohibited and when safety belts must be fastened. The signs must be so constructed that the crew can turn them on and off. They must be turned on during airplane movement on the surface, for each takeoff, for each landing, and when otherwise considered to be necessary by the pilot in command.

(b) The pilot in command of an airplane that is not required, in accordance with applicable aircraft and equipment requirements of this chapter, to be equipped as provided in paragraph (a) of this section shall ensure that the passengers are notified orally each time that it is necessary to fasten their safety belts and when smoking is prohibited.

(c) If passenger information signs are installed, no passenger or crewmember may smoke while any "no smoking" sign is lighted nor may any passenger or crewmember smoke in any lavatory.


Part 121.317 actually explains how smoking is allowable in the flight deck, even if the "No Smoking" sign is turned on :

(g) No person may smoke while a "No Smoking" sign is lighted or while "No Smoking" placards are posted, except as follows:

(1) Supplemental operations. The pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a supplemental operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from any passenger compartment), but not in any of the following situations:

(i) During airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing;

(ii) During scheduled passenger-carrying public charter operations conducted under part 380 of this title; or

(iii) During any operation where smoking is prohibited by part 252 of this title or by international agreement.

(2) Certain intrastate domestic operations. Except during airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing, a pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a domestic operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from the passenger compartment) if

(i) Smoking on the flight deck is not otherwise prohibited by part 252 of this title;

(ii) The flight is conducted entirely within the same State of the United States (a flight from one place in Hawaii to another place in Hawaii through the airspace over a place outside of Hawaii is not entirely within the same State); and

(iii) The airplane is either not turbojet-powered or the airplane is not capable of carrying at least 30 passengers.


Its basically the same for Part 135 operations!

The only place that smoking is specifically not allowed is in the lavatory, thats stated a bunch of times, $2,000 fine, blah, blah, blah.

Its not the best or healthiest of habits, but the FAR's don't stop you from smoking up there. However, its usually company policy.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:10 am

The air marshall would probably shoot you if you did light up though, which would help prove that everyone dies from 'passive smocking'. You die anyway, so enjoy life.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:17 am

Argentina -
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(1) 98.7% of the population smokes. The 1.3% missing are babies in cribs...
(2) Everybody smokes, particulatly induced when a "no smoking" sign is posted.
(3) All but 17 pilots of Aerolineas will quit if they cannot do it in THEIR cockpit.
(4) All but 4 flight attendants will quit if they cannot go to cockpit to smoke.
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We have 2 non-smoking captains. Their first officers are always sick and need to be replaced. Cannot find anyone willing to fly with them. I told them to go on 100% oxygen for the flight. Blast these morons.
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:34 am

Smocking (the process of making smocks) is a new CRM exercise to build teamwork and generate additional revenue (from on-board smock sales) at TED. Who said flying couldn't be fun again?
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:37 am

I AM NEVER FLYING ON THEM!  Smile
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:47 am

I told them to go on 100% oxygen for the flight. Blast these morons.

Haha!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:02 am

What airline is the picture? And is that Mike Myers in the right hand seat?!
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:12 am

I'd guess its a 737 or DC-9/MD-80. I'd go for Ansett Australia for the airline.
They look wankered.
 
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RE: Smocking In The Cockpit

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:22 am

Fritzi -
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You get the axe - yes, we have a fire axe in the flight deck...
I personally object to no-smockers in MY cockpit.
Same as these non-smockers object to smockers, equal rights, I object to non-smockers.
I have my list of the 3 non-smocking first officers and flight engineers.
They get replaced on MY flights. They are a detriment to flight safety...
Because they get on my nerves. Period.
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Cockpit smoke are official procedures in our QRH Quick Reference Handbook
- Electrical smoke - (1) O2 masks ON, (2) Isolate Generators... etc...
- Air conditioning smoke - (1) O2 masks ON (2) Cockpit fan OFF... etc...
- Cigarette (or pipe smoke) - situation normal... (1) Get ashtray (2) Relax...
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Happy puff puff contrails  Smile
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