Tony Lu
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Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:32 am

Okay. Say that the plane is a 737. There is 6 abrest seating. Wouldn't it be a great idea if passengers could convert any three seats on one side (again 6 abrest, 3 a side) into two seats? This is how it works:

1. The armrests would fold up and be cloth on one side so it would fill in the missing gaps in the seat.

2. Then, there would be a first-class style armrest that pops out of the middle seat.

3. Three seats would be turned into two larger ones.

4. If the middle seat was empty, the other passenger could fold it up so he could have more room!

I have a drawing of the idea if anyone wants to see! Just tell my your email. Just something I thought up when I was bored  Big grin.

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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:00 am

Tony.... sounds interesting and unique but there are some concerns including:
1.more things that can break
2.additional weight (the "center console")
3.probably decreased comfort when in 3X3 mode (since you are sitting on this "popup" center console/armrest)
4.with the popup armrest where do you put the life vest and floating cushion
5.who is entitled to these seats? (fuel for air rage)
6.all three seats would need to be reclined/stowed at the same time or else someone is going to have a real backache
7.sounds like this could reduce under-the-seat-carryon-space (stowed popup console
7.oh yeah, additional cost

I think this is a great idea for a private aircraft but probably not commercial airliners.... its a fun idea though!!!

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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:17 am

I hate to tell ya folks, but a similar type of seat has already been used. British Airways introduced it in either their first or second generation of Club Class seating back in the early 80's. The seats were meant to be convertible from 3 x 3 to 2 x 2 on the upper deck of the 747. It was ultimately abandoned due to high number of complaints from the middle seat occupants. The extra seams in the fabric made the middle seat particularly uncomfortable.
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:23 am

Tony:

This sort of an idea was used by the original Frontier Airlines in the 70's. It kind of got phased out in the 80's when deregulation hit, and the airline actually had to fill seats to make money.

The early 737's were designed so that the back of the middle seat could drop down if not being used. When dropped, the back of that middle seat had a hard surface to serve as a middle console/armrest for the passengers in the aisle and window seats. This was how this single class airline worked to attract passengers from those airlines offering first class. Advertising for the airline back in those days showed the 2 passengers sitting comfortably with their drinks on the middle console just like first class. The only difference between this idea and your idea is the seat width offered.
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:16 am

Been there, done that, but still not a bad idea!



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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:32 am

Wow.. that's pretty interesting. Good job Tony Lu! Just the fact that the idea was implemented in the past shows that somebody didn't think it was a bad idea. Big grin

I'd be interested to see your diagrams to see how they compare with picture that FLY777UAL posted! Please send them to { red_oktober_@hotmail.com }.

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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:09 am

i think tony's idea was a little different (and more ingenius) in that it actually used the middle seat to increase the size of the other two seats. the pic above simply uses the middle seat as a table but the seatbacks remain the same width....
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:28 am

I flew BA LHR-MAD on a 757 back in January 1996 and I remember that the seats were of a strange design. After observing them for a bit, I noticed that the business and economy cabin had the same seats except that business was 2+2 and economy was 3+3. These might be similar to the seats mentioned by PA110 in his post.

The center seat did seem to be composed of several sections of upholstery and a bit narrower than the other two seats. Also, the tray table for the center seat was divided into three sections fore and aft which folded up into a third of the size of a normal tray table. It is an interesting idea to have this kind of seats so that you add or remove capacity quickly but I can confirm that the middle seat did not seem too comfortable. Fortunately, the flight was fairly empty so my family and I were able to spread out and not have to sit in the middle seat.

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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:30 am

doesn't Air France do something like this on their intraEurope flights? And they can adjust the number of business seats according to the number of passengers. I remember seeing this on an A321 I flew on.
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:22 pm

Check out some of the seat manufacturers web pages. They do make a convertible seat - although I don't know of any airline that changes them based on how many people are sitting in a row. It has a crank which they turn, and the middle seat literally squishes up.

then again, I imagine that they would discourage this for regular use as they would not be able to sell business class seats if you could just buy an economy seat and get the extra width.
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Tony Lu
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:14 am

YES! I got the diagram online thx to a.net member Ryanair737 and photobucket.com!!!



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Tony Lu
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:12 am

So what da'ya think?

Tony Big grin
 
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:46 am

Tony, why didn't you finish the stewardess on your drawing ?
Just kidding... I think it's a great idea.

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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:56 am

After studying the diagram for a few minutes, it all makes sense!!!!

Very good idea - I like it!!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Wouldn't This Kind Of Cabin Be A Great Idea...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:24 am

Too late, I've already applied for the patent.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:21 am

I'm a little confused....... whats the point? no middle seat occupant? put up the armrest and spread out. what does the folding armrest add?
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