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United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:37 am

Not a bad little story in the National Post this morning -- especially the lady who thought she was in San Francisco on a rare snowy day.


Yellowknife overheated by Californian aircraft mechanics who breeze into Arctic tanned and underdressed
 
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Friday, March 26, 2004
YELLOWKNIFE - A broken-down jetliner has made a team of bronzed California aircraft mechanics temporary celebrities in this northern city.

"I don’t know what [the mechanics] are doing downtown, but they’re sure meeting up with the girls," said airport manager Michel Lafrance, laughing at an e-mail he has just received from a woman eager for a tour of the crippled United Airlines Boeing-777 parked on the Yellowknife tarmac.

"Met her in the bar, now she wants to visit the plane," he said.

A city of 18,000, Yellowknife is wired with the same dense gossip networks found in any small town. And it’s not every day a plane the size of a 777 dressed in United’s grey and blue pulls into the airport after losing an engine last Friday, mid-way between Frankfurt and San Francisco.

Mix in a little stereotype about unwitting southerners meeting the North’s bracing cold, and the town is a-twitter about the plane and the men who are fixing it — the men who parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes.

Or so the rumours go.

"That’s a big exaggeration," said Ken Weaver, the man who outfitted the dozen mechanics with neck warmers, hats and boots after they discovered their own winter gear was too thin to fend off the cold in the North, where a resurgence of winter has brought with it windchills in the -50s.

"They didn’t come here in their Bermuda shorts," said the owner of Yellowknife’s Weaver & Devore.

That’s not to say the rumour mill is completely wrong. Mechanics on United’s field services team take Arctic survival training in Anchorage, and train to operate in more remote and more northerly places than Yellowknife. It’s part of preparing for the inevitable equipment failures on the growing number of flights travelling shorter distances by flying routes over the Earth’s poles.


Every day, as many as 40 of those pass near Yellowknife, and occasionally one will land with a sick passenger or aircraft emergency.


But it’s hard to prepare for mornings at -43C when the temperature in San Francisco is 15C.

"It sure gave them a wake-up call," said Curtis Mercredi. He took most of the mechanics on their first ice snowmobiling and fishing trip as they waited for a 7,000-kilogram replacement engine to be trucked to Yellowknife.

"They’d never even driven on a frozen lake before so they were kind of scared," he said. "They couldn’t believe the ice was actually hard enough to grow four feet thick, and kind of amazed that it actually does thaw out during the summertime. It was a whole new different world for them."

Many of the 259 passengers, who were stuck in Yellowknife for about seven hours while United flew up another plane, had the same reaction. One Iranian woman couldn’t speak English. When she heard the passengers applaud after the one-engine landing, she assumed they were happy because the plane had arrived three hours early.

"At first she thought she had landed in San Francisco and she was trying to go out to see her children," said Kayhan Nadji, a Yellowknife architect and Farsi speaker who was called out to the airport to help the woman, who was initially confused by the landscape outside her airplane window.

"She said: ‘I remember my son told me it’s very warm and don’t bring warm clothing. But it seems full of snow here.’"

The unscheduled stop gave both passengers and mechanics a chance for a surprise tour of Canada’s North.

Some passengers were put on buses to tour Yellowknife, and even presented with several Mounties in red serge for photos. The mechanics, who were busy installing the new engine Thursday, have sampled northern delicacies such as muskox and arctic char and taken late-night tours to see the northern lights.

"They’re absolutely enamoured with the place," said Wally Krutz, manager of line maintenance with United.

And the Californians even got the last laugh. While most northerners ran inside to escape the unseasonable cold, it was the boys from the south —newly-purchased neck warmers powdered with frozen breath — who were outside fixing the airplane.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:43 am

Any photos of the aircraft stuck in Yellowknife?
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:50 am

That UA 777 is STILL there ?!?!?! What is wrong with it that it is taking so long???
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:22 am

Its good to see that UA took care of the pax when they were stuck there. Usually you dont get a tour of the scenery on a MX failure.

Wouldn't it have been quicker to fly an engine in there rather than truck it?
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:36 am

Don't forget that a 777's engine is HUGE!!!, and probably to get a a/c large enough, available and able to operate in that enviroment may not have been possible. That is a great article ARROW. At least everybody got a taste of a very unique place. Any idea when the a/c will be leaving Yellowknife? I hope the costs of this - probably a couple of $100k's - won't hurt UA much!
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:40 am


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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:42 am

I know the engine is enormous. I heard on a tv show that they had a freighter aircraft that the main deck was large enough to transport one of those monsters. One would think they would want to get the plane back into service ASAP as it would be loosing more money per day than it would be currently so they would get the engine there as fast as they could.

Just my thoughts.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:18 am

Im sooooo confused.

1) Where is yellowknife?

2) If the population is so small, why do they have an airport that can fit a 777?

3) The mechanics parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes. Why didn't the mechanics fly in?

4) Why didn't the pilots land at an airport where UA serves?

Sorry. I read this 4 times and i'm still so confused  Confused
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:31 am

There was previous thread about the 777 in Yellowknife that would have explained this. The 777 was diverted enroute from Europe due to an engine malfunction. The runway is just long enough for the aircraft to take off (without a full load of fuel and passengers). UA had to send mechanics up to Yellowknife to replace the engine. The mechanics did not parachute in. That was journalistic license. They were flown to Yellowknife. There are no airports in the Canadian arctic served by United. When there is a mechanical malfunction serious enough to cause a diversion, the pilot lands wherever his company advises.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:39 am

Let me help, FlyingBronco05:

The UA777 was flying from FRA to SFO and had an engine failure, in accordance with procedure, the aircraft diverted to the nearest possible airport that could handle the airliner, which was Yellowknife, in the northern territories of Canada (look at a map, find Edmonton, and go a couple of thousand miles north). Yellowknife has an airport with a long runway for many reasons, including military defense, and the fact that in the great white north, the population is really almost 100% reliant on airplanes for travel and goods. UA sent another 777 up to Yellowknife to pick up and standed passengers and get them to SFO. The "broken" 777 is still in Yellowknife being repaired, it is undergoing a complete engine swap....the new engine was flown up by a chartered large Russian designed cargo craft, the only thing that could get the huge engine up there. There are lots of UA (and probably Boeing and PW) people up in Yellowknife at the moment trying to fix this airplane and fly the 777 out of there. The mechanics and engineers did fly in to Yellowknife, and of course had warm clothes, but certainly nothing adequate for the frigid conditions in Yellowknife....did they parachute in? No, the author of the article was having some fun with words to show how the "gossip" surrounding this entire event has affected a small town like Yellowknife.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:40 am

Yellowknife is not far from the Artic Circle, in the Northern Territories/Naviut Territory of far nothern Canada. It is a major area for the mining of uraium, other minerals.
The airport is large there probably from cold war military needs. It is continued today to have an emergency airport for just like what happened.
Of course the mechanics didn't 'parachute' in, they took a plane in. If you read the article you will note that while they did have winter wear, they didn't have the type needed for artic conditions, such as -50F/C as in Yellowknife, so had to get additional clothing suitable for the conditions.
With the ETOPS rules and safety of the passangers, it was probably standard operating procedure to land at the first available emergency airport rather than go to one where UA at.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:42 am

1) Q: Where is yellowknife?
A: Northwest Territories- Canada

2) Q: If the population is so small, why do they have an airport that can fit a 777?
A: Air transport is vital for the transportation of cargo and passengers due to the remote nature of Yellowknife, and other towns like it.

3) Q: The mechanics parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes. Why didn't the mechanics fly in?
A: I'm sure they did fly into Yellowknife- the article was being humorous.

4) Q: Why didn't the pilots land at an airport where UA serves?
A: UA doesn't serve any airport anywhere near Yellowknife.

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Name: Yellowknife
IATA: YZF
ICAO: CYZF
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, Canada
Latitude: 62°27' 46" N
Longitude: 114°26' 25" W
Elevation: 675
Runway Length: 7500 Feet
Runway Length: 5000 Feet



[Edited 2004-03-26 20:45:30]
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:42 am

Flyingbronco05,

1. Yellowknife is in the Northwest Territories, in northern Canada. Click on the link below. (Look directly well north of Edmonton, under the word "TERRITORIES")
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/canada_pol99.jpg

2. The airport is well-equipped to handle 737-200s, which are regular visitors to YZF (Yellowknife). YZF is an important distribution center to the Canadian Arctic.

3. That was more of a figure of speech here in quoting the stereotype. The mechs flew into YZF. But as the article said, ther winter gear wasn't warm enough. Believe me, a windchill of -50C (-58F) is not a very pleasant experience! And I've been through even worse than that. BTW, today's high in YZF is expected to be at only -23C (-10F), although in Edmonton, where I live, it's supposed to be as high as 4C (39F).

4. This was an emergency flight diversion. The pilots had to do the right thing for the safety of passenger and crew when the 777 had only one engine working. There was no time to fly all the way to Edmonton or Calgary.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:51 am

FlyingBronco05

Answer to your questions:

1) Yellowknife is a small town in the Northwest of Canada. It is actually the capital of the of the Northwest Territories.

2) I don't know why Yellowknife has such a large airport, but I imagine they get a good deal of their goods and services via airplane because they're in such a remote place.

3) Do you really think the mechanics parachuted in there with sub-zero temperatures? I'm guessing not!

4) If you have some type of emergency, the last thing you care about is whether or not the airport can serve you. If I can safely land there, I'm going. I'll sort the rest of it out while I'm safely on the ground. While the 777 can fly just fine on one engine, the pilots made the right decision to put it down and not risk any other problems. It might be somewhat of an inconvenience, but hey, you'll be able to fly again another day.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:55 am

hmm.. sounds to me like 'Grease Monkeys' turn women on worldwide huh?
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:57 am

Haha. Yea - i might look at a carreer change.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:09 am

It's quite amusing to read some of the Americans' postings on this thread. Yellowknife (YZF) is the hub of the western arctic in Canada. It links all the other much smaller communities of the Nortwest Territories and western Nunavut with the south. While Yellowknife does have road access to the south, most north of the 60th parallel communities in Canada do not. Hence the heavy reliance on flying for northerners. Also, Yellowknife is not a couple of thousand of miles north of Edmonton, that would be around the north pole. Yellowknife is nowhere near the north pole. It lies between the 62nd and 63rd parallels.

YZF handles 737s multiple times daily by the likes of First Air and Canadian North. Heck First Air even has the country's only commercial C-130 Herc based at the airport. If it were available at the time, the C-130 could have flown in the spare engine from YEG, but that would have cost UA about 50 times more than trucking it to YZF.

Dash8King is one of the experts to ask on here about the NWT.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:12 am

"This was an emergency flight diversion. The pilots had to do the right thing for the safety of passenger and crew when the 777 had only one engine working. There was no time to fly all the way to Edmonton or Calgary."

This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat....
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:56 am

Thanks for the help guys. One more question....

Was the UA flying east or west. Meaning was he flying from europe over NY, then into SFO, or was he flying europe, over russia (or whatever it is called) then down into SFO?

Actually reading it now, I assume he would be flying Europe, over NY, then into SFO.

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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:09 am

The UA 777 was flying from Frankfurt to San Francisco.......the routing between Europe and California would not take an aircraft anywhere near Russia or New York in either direction.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:29 am

"This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat...."

There is a MASSIVE difference between a flight test and a regular revenue flight. When you are responsible for 250+ lives behind you, there is NO such thing as being too conservative. There is a litany of situations that could have exacerbated the problem, causing a major accident. Considering the alternatives, the financial cost of the diversion was negligeable.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:35 am

After reading both threads about this diversion, and having been to both Yellowknife and Edmonton, I'm surprised they didn't take the plane into Edmonton. The odds of both of them having problems are extreemly low. However, not having access to UA's policies regarding engine out procedures, I can't be that critical.

Also, I haven't heard it mentioned yet, but it would be safe to assume if you were on that flight, your bags are still on that plane. I would doubt that YFZ has the ground equipment to unload the bag cans. One more reason to travel only with hand luggage.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:46 am

Its good to see that UA took care of the pax when they were stuck there. Usually you dont get a tour of the scenery on a MX failure.

Actually the City of Yellowknife was for the most part taking care of the pax. The Mayor was their to greet them off the plane. We are not as small as some people think we have close to 20,000 people living here, which is about half off the entire NT.

The bags were unloaded and put on the second plane leaving out. Any UA employees have an idea of when its leaving? The engine is back on today so it shouldn't be much longer.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:48 am

This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat....

well,if you were the captain,and an engine sompletleu failed on you,wouldn't the first thing you want to do is land??
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:51 am

I stand corrected about the bags. After thinking about it, I'm sure YFZ probably does have the equipment to offload large cargo, which could be easily used to offload the 777.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:51 am

Flyingbronco05, you could use a geography lesson. I'm not saying that to be mean...I think it would probably be useful for you.

This website might help you to get a better picture of how when flying long distances in the Northern hemisphere, the ideas of East and West aren't as important: http://gc.kls2.com On that website, put in FRA-SFO in the box and hit display. You'll see that the most direct path between those two cities leads you in a very Northerly direction. So you see that because you're, in a way, going over the top of the world, there'd be no way to head "East." But since we tend to think of the world as it looks on a flat map, yes, West is the correct direction.

This might also help you understand why they had to land in such a remote area. If they'd been flying over NY, as it might seem if you were looking at the flat map that I mentioned, they wouldn't have needed to go up to the Northern Territories of Canada, would they?
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:54 am

The ETOPS running for 6.5hrs is good to know but would never be done in commercial use. The airline sets a limit of how long they can go for on only one power plant. No airline would go 6.5hrs on one of those. One out of the two "dieing" is not some small thing. It really depends on what was going on. If it was some small thing that caused for the shut down of the #2 they probably put her down to prevent something from happening even more. I would take the first runway long enough if I were to capt. And you have to think about how much $$ one of those P&W's costs.


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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:02 am

The Calgary Hearld had an article about the UA diversion to Yellowknife.

Apparently the local women there are "macking down" with the Californian visitors? Thats.. Interesting.
The Mechanics as the article said came from CA - Prolly SFO base.
Otherwise there were things like women emailing and calling airport manager about the mechanics and requesting a tour of the plane.

At least the UA crews did get a nice tour of the Yellowknife areas checking out Auroras, and Ice fishing..
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:52 am

The reason the 777 went to Yellowknife vs. Edmonton or Calgary is that, in the flight manual for the 777, there is most likely a sentence in the engine out check-list that states: "Land at nearest suitable airport." Etops rules do not apply when an aircraft is over land so there is no option of continuing the flight. And I know of some pilots that were raked over the coals for not landing at the nearest airport that could accommodate their aircraft type.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:01 am

So Air Foyle had to use their AN-124 to save another Tripple-7 (reminds me
of the Sydney incident), can´t wait until Boeing got their B744-Belugas flying
so they can help themselves....
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:22 am

The 777 stuck in Yellowknife is expected to reposition to San Francisco tonight as UAL9937.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:35 am

How did the mechanics travel to Yellowknife? Another UAL aircraft I assume. Or, did they come in up in the relief 777?

Also, would a 777 flight crew come with them, or would they arrive later when the planes is ready to fly again?
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:21 pm

I would think that they would come up in a smaller a/c for they were dispatched before another 777 could be brought up by another crew. And it would make things easier for when they finish they can go back to SFO(?) and the fixed 777 can go to ORD. (just an example)


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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:14 pm

As of 2313 EST 26MAR04

Airline United
Flight Number 9937
Departure City (Airport) Yellowknife, NT, Canada (YZF)
Departure Time 03/26/2004 06:15 PM
Arrival City (Airport) San Francisco, CA (SFO)
Arrival Time 03/26/2004 08:40 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:29
Aircraft Type Boeing 777-200
Current Altitude 33,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 600 mph
Flight Status In Flight

 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:25 pm

So wait, that still has the pax from the original flight?!? I thought they brought in another 777 or was the runway too short? Does any one know how much this is costing UA?



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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:37 pm

The New engine was flown into YEG on a Cargolux 747, where it was then put on a truck to be hauled up north. The only regular flights up north are on 737-200's and I dont think a 777 engine would fit on one of those. Unfortunately I didnt get to work on the Cargolux flight because it came in about 10 hours late but if it had come in on time I would have had the opportunity to unload that engine myself.

Oh well maybe next time
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:41 pm

Bombayhog,

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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:45 pm

According to Flightview.com, #9937 is on the ground in SFO now.

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"What a strange, wonderful trip it's been..."

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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:53 pm

Yellowknife, NWT is about the same catagory as Bethel Alaska.

All the big birds fly the grocieries and grandma into there and then the little planes take that stuff and grandma out to the villiages.


Still, nice to know those guys from Frisco had to do some work in real weather  Big grin
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:08 pm

First once a few years ago. Then 2 a/c there. Guess if we wait long enough we shall see the fleet in there!

Being from Yellowknife i was there for the first one so i can picture the whole thing. Bout time those southy boys learned to put up with a little cold air!




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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:44 pm

VS340 are you sure? the GE90 fit into an existing B747?
www.ge.com it is about the size of 135 inches times 287 inches and then it need to be placed on pallets?


[Edited 2004-03-27 14:52:51]
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:03 pm

You should be able to get that in the rear door.

But an actual 747 ramp rat would be better able to answer that.

Remember there is no ceiling in the back end of a 747 so you can load all the way up to the roof, in theory.

This is where the 747 freighter will outshine the A380 one, the 747 can carry larger cube items.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:03 pm

I am so glad that the patrons of this website
are able to answer the same questions again and again
and again. I sleep better now.
YOW, do you really think they can transport that
engine in a C130? I may be wrong but a HERC 130
is not really a huge aircraft; midsize at best.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:52 am

Anyone know the SN / tail sign for this aircraft,

i'm flying back to europe tomorrow from SFO on a UA 777 interested to see if i get it.

the picture above looked like 2983 ?
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:51 am

No the pax were not here until the plane was fixed, they left 12 hours after.
 
The777Man
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:39 am

Yes, the aircraft that was in YZF was nosenumber 2983 and its N-number is N783UA.

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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:55 pm

A couple other reasons this was different from the single engine 6.5 hr test flight -

- they knew for sure what caused the engine to shut down. They had deliberately shut it down themselves. There was no real possibility of anything ELSE being wrong that might endanger them further. When an engine dies unexpectedly, you have to consider the possibility that the failure was caused by something other than the engine itself, something that could come back to bite you in other ways.

- For the test flight, the other engine wasn't REALLY dead. They could have restarted it at any time. When you know one engine really is as dead as a doornail, you behave a bit differently than when you could get it back with a flip of the switch.

Because of these issues, engine loss nearly always leads to a diversion when on a revenue flight. This is true regardless of the number of engines. You can fly a 777 on one engine for a long time. It is in fact a relatively low risk operation compared to many risks we take in ordinary life. However, the risk of doing so has been deemed acceptable only when it is done in testing or to get to an airport after a diversion. For this it is OK because these events are very rare. If it is done only when absolutely necessary, the total risk is indeed low. But this is true only assuming you don't do it on purpose in a broken airplane. As has been said before, doing that is asking for trouble. There are lots of things in life that are safe enough to risk having to do, but not safe enough to do on purpose. Ejecting from a fighter plane is another example.

I believe in Tech/Ops there was a thread about moving in a spare 777 engine. The biggest current 777 engines can just barely fit in a 747 freighter. Sometimes the big Antonev cargo planes are used instead. GE90s are about the same diameter as a 737 fuselage. This makes me doubt one could fit in a C130, though I could be wrong.
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:04 pm

UA employees can attest that in Unimatic you can pull up UA approved divertion cities for the ploar routes. Many are really interesting especially for those going polar to Asia. If you have to divert you may geta short stay in Archangel. Murmansk. And a few places in Siberia that even a geography buff like me can remember.

Yellowknife is probably a paradise compared with an emergency landing in Siberia.
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:18 am

Having flown to Murmansk twice I can attest that it would be a fine place for a diversion. Where else can one see regular Tupolev/Ilyushin/Antonov t/o's and landings as well as get 75 cent bottles of Stella beer?
 
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RE: United 777 Stuck In Yellowknife

Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:28 am






LOL, looks nice and warm! You can see the new engine being brought in there.
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