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How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:22 am

Hello,

How are CO's 735's? i am planning on flying them from EWR-DFW in June.


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cdfmxtech
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:29 am

Clean, safe, no PTV, seat audio available, no video screens.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:32 am

I can only agree with the previous post; I flew on them twice, from EWR to GSO and back - fine aircraft, comfortable and safe. They'll get you there and back, no problem.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:43 am

I think that their stubbiness is kind of cute when you see them from the outside. It's kind of odd to be in the coach cabin and only see ~20 rows. It looks like an ERJ on steroids, in my opinion.

On a totally unrelated and random note, could CO ever replace their 735s with 736s someday? Do they hold the same number of pax?
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:47 am

...could CO ever replace their 735s with 736s someday?

Yes, the B735 is about the same size as the B736. But CO does not want the B736. In fact, they ordered 30 B735 and 30 B736 on the same day but later converted the latter into B73G/B738 for whatever reason. And their B735 are realitively young and won't disappear for another decade or two (or maybe three) – their oldest just turned 10-years-old last month (yes, you were still in diapers ten years ago but it’s not exactly old for a $20+ million aircraft) and their youngest was delivered in late 1998 – months after they took delivery of their first B73G and B738 a/c.

[Edited 2004-03-28 20:54:01]
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:53 am

(either I pressed 'reply' instead of edit, or I'm expediting my way to 3,000 posts...  Laugh out loud )

[Edited 2004-03-28 20:54:34]
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:02 am

Excuse me, but I was not in diapers at age six, thank you very much.  Big grin
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:04 am

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s? Some of their 735s are operating long flights (EWR-TUS or EWR-ABQ, for example), and I think that it would be a nice addition.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:18 am

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s?

Probably a variety of reasons, among them:

1) the a/c were purchased to fly thin short-haul flights of three hours or less in duration; the cancelled B736 were the intended thin long-haul a/c

2) drop-down LCD probably weren’t available on the 737 classic – just the bulky (heavy) isle-mounted T

3) CO had no $$$ to spurge on IFE for short-haul flights in those days; the company was nearly extinct… indeed the B763 that were to be delivered to CO in 1995 for intercontinental flying did not have PTV in Y

4) product consistency for later deliveries… remember that latest B752, which are only a couple years old or so, have the cheesy tiny drop-down bulky/CRT TVs even though drop-down LCD were available. IFE or not, these things are a pain-in-the-ass to look at, especially on long-haul flights like CLE-LGW.

- - -

Remember, in the mid-1990s, CO never intended to fly regional jets on 1,500-mile flights like IAH-BFL… which brings up another question: why don’t the ERJ have PTV?  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2004-03-28 21:21:46]
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:20 am

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s? Some of their 735s are operating long flights (EWR-TUS or EWR-ABQ, for example), and I think that it would be a nice addition.

My guess would be because the main mission of the 735 is short haul. CO does not operate EWR-ABQ any more and only briefly operated EWR-TUS over the winter holiday after suspending the route for a while.

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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:23 am

I believe that CO did reinstate Saturday-only EWR-ABQ service, although I might be mistaken.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:24 am

Continental 735s routinely operate medium-haul routes--DFW-EWR, IAH-JFK for example. They aren't too uncomfortable in Y and the legroom is about standard for CO.
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:40 am

Asuflyer05, CO does fly EWR-ABQ
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:51 am

TUS-EWR ran everyday during the peak holiday season, then was switched to Saturdays only. It's last day of operation will be May 1. Then ABQ will get the flight.

I like them actually, cute little planes and fairly easy to board. They give us short ground times and anything larger would be difficult to get the plane out on time.

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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:08 am

Continental used to actually have a PTV system on their 735's which featured games, etc. These were installed on some of the aircraft shortly after they were delivered if i'm not mistaken. I took a CO 735 from MSY to EWR in 1995 and the plane did in fact have PTV's; however, they were taken out shortly thereafter. My subsequent CO 735 flights (in 2000 and 2001) did not have any IFE to speak of. Comfortable aircraft though.

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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:50 am

Yeah, MSYTristar, they had to have been taken off shortly after '95...I think that I flew on a CO 735 in 1998...No PTVs. Did they ever install them on their 733's? I remember reading the safety instructions...it said CO 737-300/500. I didn't know what I was flying on! Or my memory is clotted and I don't remember what they said. Anyway, just wondering if CO ever had them on their 733s. Were they ever on the CO DC-10-30s? This is getting interesting.
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:55 am

Just to clear up a few points:

1. The CO 735s do not (and as far as I know never had) an IFE system; the 735s generally show up on short routes of 3 hours or less and it was determined that an IFE system was not necessary. As more 737NGs are delivered, and the MD80s are retired, the 735s (along with the 733s) will generally fly short haul routes for CO - of course, from time to time, you will find a 735 on a longer route like EWR-ABQ, but the 735s will be doing mostly short haul work.

2. CO's 757s have the flip down screens every three rows like the 737NG and not the down the aisle monitors. The only CO aircraft with the down the aisle monitors are about 12 733s which were so equipped for longer routes like CLE-LAX, CLE-SFO and the like. The 733 no longer flies such routes, they have been taken over by 737NG aircraft - the video equipped 737s now mostly show up on routes between CLE and Florida.

3. The 735s are very nice aircraft, I flew on one a couple weeks ago on a Saturday only service from FLL-EWR - very comfortable, I enjoyed the small F cabin, and extremely clean on the inside - the interior looked as if the aircraft was fresh from the factory.

4. CO has decided against the 736 and it has also stated that there would be no further orders for the 73G - the 733/735/73G fleet is adequate for CO's needs in the 100-120 seat segment. CO still has a few 738s to be delivered and it seems that the 738 is CO's preferred member of the 737NG series.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:58 am

Don't the CO 735s fly IAH-EDM (Houston-Edmonton)?
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:04 am

They were fairly comfortable, very clean and inviting. Nothing too special and not at all terrible. Enjoyable flight for the one hour and fifteen minutes to/from CLE-EWR.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:13 am

MSYTristar,

You are right. I remember flying a CO 757 from EWR-SAN in February 1996 with the PTV system. I however do not remember the video games available, but I do remember you could order anything from Skymall magazine on the tv's. It was cool, yet short lived.
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:13 am

The CO 735s do not (and as far as I know never had) an IFE system

They may have had the FlightLink system, as did HP, which is what MSYTriStar described... a mini-screen that displayed news, sports scores, etc. for a fee.

CO's 757s have the flip down screens every three rows like the 737NG

The B737NG and B753 have flip-down LCD screens, the B752 do not -- they have drop-down bulky CRT screens which are difficult to view.

CO has decided against the 736...

Yes, but they did have an order for 30 aircraft.

...and it has also stated that there would be no further orders for the 73G - the 733/735/73G fleet is adequate for CO's needs in the 100-120 seat segment.

CO has 15 B73G, 38 B738 and 2 B739 left on order.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:16 am

Lets agree to diasgree on this one.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:16 am

No audio entertainment on 737-500s, but I will second Dutchjet's observation that the cabins are very nice. Flew on one MSP-EWR a few weeks ago and was impressed, the only difference between the -500s and the NG's are the ceiling panels, everything else about most of the interiors are the same and most aircraft are immaculate inside. Coach seats have the "wings", same with First Class. All in all a nice little jet especially for hops under 1500 miles.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:47 am

Yeah these PTVS you guys speak of on the 735s were Flight LInk. They were also available on COs refurbished DC-9s. They were black and white screens that you could play basic gams, get news and info on. HP also had them installed. The company that made Flight Link went bankrupt, hence they were removed from COs fleet. You can, however, still find the black screens left over on several HP 737s. I would not count Flight LInk as inflight Ent. or even a real PTV. There was talk in the mid 90s of equipping CO 737-500s w/ ceiling mounted TVs like Dutchjet pointed out some 733s had, but $$$ was of essence at the time and that project never materialized.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:21 am

I would not agree with the statement that the B737-500's were deployed on short haul flights intially. The 735 operated such segments as IAH-GYE and CLE-SAN. A number of 735's in the CO fleet were equiped with rafts and had over-water capability, these were converted back to standard "domestic" configuration in the late 1990's and thus the -500 will only be found in the US/Canada. The Flight Link system was indeed in use for the 1996-97 period along with the 733's, MD-80's...can't remember if the DC-9's had them but I think they did.

The 737-600 was included in the initial large order for NG's, but then converted to -700 and -800's. Given the relatively high unit costs on the 735 (guess why they fly IAH-DCA and IAH-LGA?) the -600 was deemed too expensive. I would imagine that a winglet-ed 736 could probably do some very long stage lengths, albeit with a low capacity.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:29 am

I just got off a CO 735 about an hour ago from EWR-CMH. I was lucky enough to have first class seats and the short ride was very comfortable. However, it seems the seats were a little outdated as well as the arm rests and tray tables. The seats had pen marks and the arm rest where the tray table came out was worn down. I needed to call an f/a to get my tray table back down in the arm rest!
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:30 am

Mitchell Gant,
I didn't mean to say "initially.” The B735 were acquired cheaply (the original order was purchased from UA; the B735 were part of its order that remains the largest in aviation history – thus deep discounting) and badly needed for expansion (not as big of an issue once DEN closed) and to replace aging, maintenance-prone “junk jets.” CO later (in 1996) purchased 30 more B735 alongside 30 B736 (they had another order for 48 B73G/B738)… at this point, the B735 wasn’t intended for long-term use on long-haul flights, thus the second batch was never fitted with IFE, nor was the first batch retrofitted.

(Yes, I realize you’re a CO employee… my comments aren’t directed exclusively at you, but more-so toward the community hence the detail).
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:33 am

Bluejackets:

You were probably on a 735 with the old interior. They are putting in the interiors that match the NG series. We get a mix of old and new in TUS...the ones with the new interior look very sharp. CO does a great job of keeping their planes looking good on the inside (and out). Even the old MD80's had nice interiors last time I was in one.  Smile
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:05 am

I took a 735 from EWR-IAH last week at it was very nice. I had the emergency exit row that does not have a seat in front (10F) and the flight was great, as are most of my CO flights.

As for the 752's they definitely have to flip down screens. I've been on more CO 757's than I can count and have never seen a plane with the bulky ceiling mounted TV's.
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:07 am

As for the 752's they definitely have to flip down screens. I've been on more CO 757's than I can count and have never seen a plane with the bulky ceiling mounted TV's.

They're not ceiling-mounted... they're flip-down CRT, not LCD, screens & very hard to view...
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:16 pm

"They're not ceiling-mounted... they're flip-down CRT, not LCD, screens & very hard to view..."

that's definitely true. Continental first got there 757's in 1994 and NEVER got the bulky mounted isle TV's like a lot of the carriers did. I really don't have a problem looking at the TV's. Its fine for me, whether isle-mounted or CRT.

BTW: A little off topic, but what type of IFE did the original 757's have on Eastern. I would be very interested to know.
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:44 pm

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I said they were the flip downs screens. I never said anything about whether or not they were LCD or CRT, so what's your point?
 
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RE: How Are CO 735's?

Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:47 pm

...what's your point?...

Then what was your point of your response? I never said the screens were ceiling-mounted, and since I was the only one who brought the issue up, you were clearly responding to me.