Catatonic
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? On The Brace Position

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:31 am

Is it true that the brace position is designed so that if you crash your neck breaks and you have a relatively quick death? I have heard this from a flight attendant and although it sounds strange what other purpose (apart from flying objects) would the brace position serve???
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:53 am

Well, if u were sitting up right, and then a plane travelling at say 200 mph hits somthing, u will fly foward

If u are braced down, u will still fly forward,but not as badly if you get my meaning.
Still would hurt alot
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:01 am

I heard that if the plane chrashes, you die instantly without any pain. Personally, if I was in a really bad plane crash, I would prefer to die quicker than suffer all that pain only then to die. Must be kinder.
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:09 am

The brace position actually allows the force of most crash scenario to be transmitted along your spine rather than across it, so I would say that if it's a survivable crash, it's more likely to save your life.

The people on TWA 800, for example, suffered "internal decapitation" from the sudden decelleration forces. Essentially, their necks were broken and spinal cords severed by the transverse forces on their necks.
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:27 am

Possibly an urban myth - but I heard that if you are in the brace position, there is less chance you would break your teeth and thus it's easier to identify your body from the dental records.
 
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:46 am

I thought the brace position was to make it easier to kiss your a** goodbye!

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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:58 am

All:

Oh good grief! This is all a bunch of crap. You people never cease to amaze me with your immature, wild conjecturing.

The brace position serves to provide protection to your head and vital organs. There have been numerous occasions where lives were saved because of the brace position during emergency or crash landings.

With TWA800, there wasn't ANY position that could save someone. The brace position serves to protect/save in emergency/crash landings. There is LITTLE to NO saving grace in a mid-air explosion or critical structural failure; in those cases, the best position is hugging your loved one or, in the case of many executives, clutching your notebook computer (as if that's going to help).

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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:01 am

A DL captain told me that the seats are designed to fold forward, and showed me by pushing real hard on the one in front of him (there was noone seated there). In case of an impact, all the seats fold forward and leaves ample room for your head and neck to move forward as well.

Someone who knows for sure please correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:13 am

VS346 - Correct, The seats will fold forward (Normally). If you watch the impact test videos (Usually seen on TV Docs) all the chairs fold forward, not too far though.

As for breaking necks and saving teeth, that is a pile of Hotspur (Sorry) $h*t!

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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:15 am

If you sit upright and the plane crashes the overhead bins are more than likely going to crash on your head. People always have too much carry-on luggage and the weight is propably more than the bins can handle in a crash situation.

I'd rather not have a couple of tons worth of overhead bins crashing on my head on account of my weak neck, so I would push the backrest in front of me forward a little bit, and lean lower than the top of the seatback.

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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:08 am

Just seems a bit pointless really and im sure their are a lot of people out there who cannot adopt the brace position anyway either due to medical problems such as arthritis, pregnancy or big titted women (or men) not forgetting just being a plain old fat ar*e! No, if I were me in a plain crash I'd rather go out screaming, wailing and flailing!
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:42 am

I would assume the position is also essentially to "duck" from the cabin items (bags, etc.) that would become projectiles during an impact.
 
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:05 am

Maybe I didn't make it clear. TWA 800 was an unsurvivable explosion/crash. My point was that those people were sitting upright, not braced at the time, and the force of the decelleration traveled front to back ACROSS their spinal columns, causing the internal decapitation. If you are in a brace position, yes, it protects your internal organs, but it also creates a more horizontal position of the spine so that decelleration forces travel front to back ALONG the spinal column.
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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:23 am

Maybe this is one for the Technical Forum?

I should imagine (note: conjecture!!) that it would depend upon the type of crash as to whether the brace poisition would help or hinder.

Certainly with BD92 the deceleration forces when the 734 hit the bank were not only enough to split the fuse and jack-knife the tail onto the top of the fuse, but to rupture alot of the seat brackets with the seats compressing into one another. Plus, the forward collapsing of the seats actually increased the incidence of head injuries: of the survivors, all but 10 suffered head or faces injuries.


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RE:? On The Brace Position

Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:49 pm

Don't you want to live?

If you die, you die, but many crashes have been eminently survivable. This does not apply to the A.nutters standing in the aisle trying to capture the final moments on a camcorder.

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