yultopei
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Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:18 pm

What to make when an airport does not serve any more an airport?
It is what ADM (aeroports de Montreal) will try to discoverer in two weeks while trying to rent YMX !!!

the Experts of ADM are at present to prepare an international invitation to tender.

all option are open, ADM said that some promoter ask some offer for doing hospital, a casino, a exposition center or a movies studios. But two others projects are very interesting. To create a a center of formation and drive for the commercial aircraft or with the new security rules in all airport, a center of formation for the future custom officer.

But said James Cherry of ADM " no question of rent YMX to an enterprise who would like to establish passenger flight or heavy industrial industry"
in addition of this two things, all other option are open.

Are you interesting....
this is the feature of this beautiful place...

the ground of the airport area are so big, a modern open surfaces terminal, a granite floor and a parking of 5813 places.
the Extra things : an hotel of 355 rooms with 3 restaurants, one bar, one ballroom and a atrium.

and for complete the last update of the airport...
1993 - 5M$ for the parking
1993 - 2M$ for the unloading passager dock
1995 - 7M$ for new the footbridge and slots
1998 - 3M$ for cargo expansion

if you want to do a offer please go on http://www.admtl.com

regard

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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:54 pm

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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:32 pm

Why isn't this airport used now?.......
 
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:14 pm

Yes, could someone well informed please give us the reason why this airport is falling in complete dissuse. I seem to remember that it was to far from the city center; but then why did they construct it in the beginning? Looking at the photos it still looks good. What a shame
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:30 pm

When they built YMX in the 70's, they based themselves on Montreal's growth up to that date and projected the city would keep on growing at that rate, thus needing a large airport far apart from the city.
Wrong move as Montreal's expansion did not go at all as planned and YMX stayed in the middle of the countryside with the rabbits and wolverines (hey, it's Quebec).

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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:16 am

Just to add to what UTA said.

The plan also was to shut down YUL. But that didn't happen because AC opposed to it. As for why AC opposed to closing down the old, dusty YUL and refused to move to the nice and modern YMX, your theory is as good as any.

For a time, there was a split between YUL and YMX: YUL served the North American market and YMX served the international market. That split proved to be a total catastrophe for Montreal.

So, after it took the airport authorities 25 years or so to realize their mistake, they decided it was time to focus on using only one airport.

They had the choice between shutting down the old, ugly, dusty, dark, no room to expand or add runways, submitted to a curfew YUL, or the new, beautiful, clean, bright, with room to add 4 runways and terminals, and free of any curfew, YMX.

And, as anyone in their right mind would do (cough cough), they decided to shut down YMX.

So, that's the (very very very sad) story.

Everything is not lost for YMX though. It is still used for all cargo operations (Fedex, UPS and others). And it is also used to shoot movies, when an airport setting is needed. One of GM's recent commercial was shot there, and Steven Spielberg's next film - apparently the story of a man who had to stay 18 months or so at JFK - was also partially shot at YMX!
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:23 am

Conventional wisdom is that YMX was built so far away from Montreal and without any quick links to the city (i.e. train/subway) that it failed.
Unlike IAD (Dulles) where development filled in between the main city and the airport, no such major development/Housing/industries are located between Montreal and YMX. My $0.02
There are others here that may be able to give you more quantitative analysis.

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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:12 am

Do they not have automobiles and buses in Montreal? Seems strange that the main reason it didn't prosper is because of no mass transit.
 
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:23 am

When YMX was built it was assumed that SST's were on the way. So it was distant from the city because the idea was that long runways and large separations from population due to noise were necessary.

Montreal is on an island, and faced with the drive from YMX through Laval, over congested bridges and through the city to get to the business districts - and the lack of a rail link as an alternative to that - made YMX undesirable.

The largest passenger market in Canada is YYZ-YUL. YMX is too far from the city to serve the market for short haul traffic. The need to serve both long and short haul markets from the same facility made returning to YUL the only possible choice.
 
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:21 am


YMX was doomed right from the start.

YMX was not a mistake in itself. The first faux pas were the previsions made by obscure so-called aviation experts that lead govt officials to believe that aerial traffic in Montréal would be about 4 times bigger by 2000. Had it been true, YUL would never have been able to cope with that kind of traffic…

In late 60’s, non-stop flights were still limited in terms of distance. Hence, the need to make a stop halfway made people in Montréal believe that YMX would be an ideal stop for flights between Europe and Western, Southern USA and Central America.

Obviously, new jumbo jets with higher range made that stop needless in the 70’s.

And even worst, the site was not even chosen when they designed YMX so they designed the main terminal in the Northern part of the site without knowing that most people would be coming from the South, making it even more inefficient considering the infrastructures there…
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:14 am

The first faux pas were the previsions made by obscure so-called aviation experts that lead govt officials to believe that aerial traffic in Montréal would be about 4 times bigger by 2000.

True, but why was Montreal the only city to build a massive airport that was not needed? Pickering was shelved as the same time that YMX was approved. It just proves that YMX was nothing more than a make-work project for Quebec.

Aviation is booming. Passengers have more than doubled since 1975 and yet here in Canada we are closing an international airport that should never have been built. How embarassing for Montreal, Quebec and Canada.

What a waste of tax dollars.
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:53 am

Unlike IAD (Dulles) where development filled in between the main city and the airport, no such major development/Housing/industries are located between Montreal and YMX.

I'm sorry to say this is entirely false.

There are 2 regions in Quebec that are very prosperous. First, there's the golden triangle, going from Montreal to Sherbrooke to Quebec City, where the unemployment rate is around 4%.

The other is the region north of Montreal, through Laval and all the way to Mt-Tremblant (the highway 15 corridor), with an unemployment rate of around 6%. This region has the largest population boom in Quebec. That's where I live. And that's where YMX is located.

From Montreal to YMX now, it's an almost uninterrupted chain of houses and industries.

As I said, there are absolutely no rational to support the decision to close YMX instead of YUL. The reasons that we were told to justify this closure proved to be lies, the same way GWB justifications to invade Iraq are lies (more catastrophic consequences with those lies - of course).

Any theory to explain that decision is as good as the next. Those who really know don't speak. But it is a major waste of money, no doubt about that.


True, but why was Montreal the only city to build a massive airport that was not needed?...It just proves that YMX was nothing more than a make-work project for Quebec.

First, nobody knew at the time it was not needed. Actually, if the government had stuck to the original plan, YMX would be fully functional now and YUL would not exist. Also, keep in mind that Montreal was still under the euphoria of the very successful Expo 67 and the Olympics were coming to town. All of those events created this atmosphere were investments were needed.

I would have preferred that YMX was not built in the first place. But now that it's built, it should be used to it's full potential and in order to do so, YUL should be shut down. But as I said, don't look for any rational as to why the opposite happened...
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:08 am

The reason AC didn't want to move is because they have a major mantenance base at YUL employing in excess of a thousand employees with hundreds of miliions of $$$ invested.

Please stop the biased post mortem about YMX. It's over.The arguing went on for 25 years to the detriment of the economy of Montreal as a whole.Stop it already.

The more interesting question is what will happen with the facilities now. This should be really interesting.
 
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:44 pm

Actually, if the government had stuck to the original plan, YMX would be fully functional now and YUL would not exist. Also, keep in mind that Montreal was still under the euphoria of the very successful Expo 67 and the Olympics were coming to town. All of those events created this atmosphere were investments were needed.

Yes, I agree QB001. The ADM (or its predecessors) should have closed YUL immediately after opening YMX or soon after.

The more interesting question is what will happen with the facilities now. This should be really interesting.

Yes, I agree Skywatcher.


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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:53 pm

Another YMX/YUL debate.

If YUL was closed, who would pay for the new highways, the high-speed train, the new runways and terminals that would be needed to accomodate the traffic.. wake up

 
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:56 pm

Why doesn't someone utilize the possibilities this property has and turn it into a convention center/corporate retreat property? Companies could hold their annual or quarterly conventions here, flyinga chartered aircraft straight in without having to concern themselves with security...It has a hotel on site, facilities for catering, room for providing entertainment...Seems perfect for the hunter as well...

If anyone wants more ideas along this thought process, email me...I am a marketing major and always looking for interesting and unique projects.

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yultopei
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RE: Beautiful Airport For Rent! (YMX)

Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:15 pm

I totally agree with you Qb001.
I was lived couple of year at St-Janvier (mirabel) and you said : From Montreal to YMX now, it's an almost uninterrupted chain of houses and industries... Exactly. Couple of year before, the high density housing stopping around Boisbriand - St. Therese, but now is completely around YMX.

I don't understand why ADM don't use YUL for only regional and USA routes... Like YUL-YYZ, YUL-YQB, etc...
and YMX for all international route....
I like two both but I think close completely YMX of passager flight is bad idea...
maybe is because my first 2-3 flights in my life was in YMX. And it's all beautiful memory.

Regards... espacially to Qb001 and all of you writing in this threat.
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