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Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:08 am

My friend says it's the PC-12, but I say its probably a Rusiian plane. Does anyone know what the largest single engine (prop and jet) plane would be?

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:14 am

Probably something Russian/Soviet. They seem to have built the biggest of everything flying at one point or another.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:17 am

A 773 cruising on one engine?

Jokes aside, that is a doozer of a question.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:24 am

The AT-802 series is the world's largest single engine aircraft


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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:25 am

The biggest single engine biplane is the Anotnov AN-2. It's an ugly thing and it flies real slow. I'm not sure about single engine monowing aircraft though.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:36 am

I knew it would be something Russian! That AN-2 is huge!

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:50 am

Aren't they still being produced? I seem to recall that this is the VolksWagen of planes, produced for half a century or more.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:07 am

The largest single engine prop that I know of is the Breguet Alize (18190 lbs). It is much larger than the AT-802, PC-12, or An-2.


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The largest single engine jet that I know of is the MiG-27 (44753 lbs).


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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:13 am

Does anyone know what the largest single engine (prop and jet) plane would be?

Define largest.

Most seating capacity? Longest range? Most fuel capacity?

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Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:23 am

Largest, unless noted otherwise, is almost always defined by maximum takeoff weight.
 
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:31 am

As far as the largest single in passenger service (IMO) would be either the C208-Caravan or the DHC2 Beaver/turbo Beaver.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:33 am

If you are talking max takeoff weight, I believe the largest single engine jet aircraft ever built would be the the Republic F-105 "Thunderchief", with the G variant having a max takeoff weight in excess of 54000 pounds.


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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:39 am

Ah wow, I can't believe I forgot the F-105. Good catch Mconway!
 
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:30 am

For Prop/Recip

Grumman Avenger at 18,250 WW2 ASW/Torpedo Bomber, still in use in eastern Canada as a spray A/C.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2230/avenger1.html

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:30 am

I think my vote would be for the Grumman Guardian (WF-2). A post WW2 torpedo bomber / ASW aircraft. Max TOW was in excess of 25,000 pounds. Length was 43'-4", span of 60'-8". Used a P&W R-2800-48W of 2,400 hp.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:36 am

Forgot about this one:

Martin Mauler AM-1. Late WW2 attack bomber. Max TOW of more than 29,000 pounds. Used P&W R-4360 of 3,000 hp. Slightly smaller than the Grumman Guardian.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:22 am

It's not easy to pin down the maximum weights of those old military aircraft. Supposedly on one occasion the Mauler took off at 29,000 lb or so, but its official MTOW was substantially less. Did a Skyraider or XTB2D (or whatever else) ever beat 29,000 lb? Nobody knows.

But maybe the original question was about current aircraft?
 
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:37 am

Timz,

Weights I listed were taken from Jane's books of the period. I would assume they were at least semi-official. Whether or not another aircraft on a one-time basis exceeded these weights, we'll never know, as you said.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:46 am

What about the Blohm & Voss BV-141? I don't have time to look up the stats right now, but it looks kinda big.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:55 am

or the DHC2 Beaver/turbo Beaver.

Do you mean its larger cousin, the DHC-3 Otter? Even so, this one is not the biggest, although it is rather large.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:25 pm

There was a Ford trimotor that was running around southeast Alaska in the 1930's that had been converted over to single engine.

They didn't even increase the size of the motor, just tipped the original one forward to put more air under the wings.

Oh don't forget the old Fairchild Pilgrim, and the Bellana Flamingo either.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:18 pm

The biggest single engine biplane is the Anotnov AN-2.

Used to be. That honour now goes to the An-3T.

The largest single engine prop that I know of is the Breguet Alize (18190 lbs).

The Fairey Gannett MTOW is just over 10,000kg. The Tu-91 had a MTOW of 14,500kg

As far as the largest single in passenger service (IMO) would be either the C208-Caravan or the DHC2 Beaver/turbo Beaver.

The An-3T in regular passenger service, and it trumps both the Caravan and the Beaver by 2-3 tonnes.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:43 pm

GulfstreamGuy is probably correct that the Soviets built the largest single-engine airplane. I don't know of any single bigger than the Ant-25, a little-known research aircraft with remarkable accomplishments.

The Ant-25 was 44 feet long and had a wingspan of 112 feet and a single, 900-horsepower, 12-cylinder engine. Gross weight was 24,750 pounds, of which 13,760 pounds was fuel and oil. It was designed for record-breaking, long-distance flights, and in June 1937 made the first transpolar, intercontinental flight.

With a crew of three headed by Valeriy Chkalov, the Ant-25 took off from Moscow, headed for Oakland, California, via the north pole. Upon reaching the area of Eugene, Oregon, weather and mechanical concerns prompted Chkalov to backtrack to Portland. By the time they neared Portland, word of their imminent arrival had spread, and crowds began to gather at the Portland airport. Remembering the near-riot when Lindbergh landed at LeBourget ten years earlier, Chkalov thought landing at the Army's Pearson Field across the river in Vancouver, Washington, would offer better security. At Pearson the crew was greeted by the Commanding Officer of Vancouver Barracks, Gen. George C. Marshall. The Ant-25 had flown 6,073 statute miles in 63 hours, 17 minutes.

Though little known in the rest of the world, the flight was widely celebrated in the USSR, and Chkalov was given a hero's welcome on return to Moscow. At Pearson Field, now a general aviation airport (KVUO), there is a stone monument to the flight, and a major street in Vancouver, Washington, is named for Chkalov.

Three weeks after Chkalov's flight, another Ant-25 flew nonstop 7,031 statute miles from Moscow to San Jacinto, California.

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http://avia.russian.ee/air/russia/ant-25.html
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:40 pm

WOW! What a response! I learned so much about the big single engine birds.
Hey Russophile, whats up with that TU-123? That thing looks like a rocket with wings! I thought I knew a lot about Soviet built aircraft but I had never seen that one before! It looks awesome!

Thanks to everyone for your responses!

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:48 pm

What if you put a GE-90 on a 757.
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:53 pm

Isn't the Gannett's Double Mamba installation really two engines feeding a gearbox?

It seems the TU-123 beats the Northrop SM-62 Snark, which is listed as 48,147 lbs. without boosters.

Lockheed's TR-1 is listed at 18,733kg/41,300 lbs, so it's not as heavy as the F-105, but it has greater wingspan, at 31.39 m/103'.
 
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:43 pm

Russophile,

"The Tu-133 (other sources call it the Tu-123) was an intercontinental supersonic cruise missile based on the Tu-121 drone."

We're splitting hairs here, but I would consider an aircraft to have a pilot (although that might be a stretch by the strict definition I admit). My vote still goes to the Thunderchief till someone can prove me wrong. No disrespect intended.

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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:06 pm

The Tu-123 Yastreb DBR-1 was not exactly a missile -- the Yastreb was an unmanned reconaissance aircraft which was designed from the Tu-123, which was in turn developed from the Tu-121. The Tu-121 and Tu-123 were intercontinental ballistic missiles.

And contrary to what people believe about the Soviets stealing the plans for Concorde, the Tu-123 Yastreb was instrumental in research for the Tu-144.

But I'm waiting for someone to tell me what is wrong with the Yastreb in terms of this discussion  Smile
 
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RE: Largest SINGLE-engine Aircraft?

Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:15 pm

Frankly that Tu-123 looks like idea behind the fighters from the TV series, "Battlestar Galactica"


I am just waiting to see Apollo, Starbuck or Boomer try and hop in that thing.
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