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US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:33 pm

US Airways has applied with the DOT to serve IAD-CUN and BWI-CUN, beginning around 17 July 2004, initially with Saturday service.

The filing is at http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/275068_web.pdf.

US also has a pending application to serve FLL-CUN.

US currently serves CUN from PHL/PIT/CLT/BOS.

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I think this is a very smart move for US. In addition to continuing to expand their Caribbean service, these new services to CUN are a preemptive strike against B6 and their Caribbean ambitions. Since the US-Mexico bilateral limits each city-pair to two carriers per side, no one will be able to add service in the FLL/IAD/BWI-CUN markets, with US/NK serving FLL-CUN, US/UA serving IAD-CUN, and US/U5 serving BWI-CUN.

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Edited to add: From IAD, US currently offers Saturday service to SJU. From BWI, US currently offers seasonal daily service to BDA.

[Edited 2004-03-31 15:35:32]
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:37 pm

I concur with A330323X, this is a very smart move. I'm glad to see them making this pre-emptive strike.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:26 am

Since the US-Mexico bilateral limits each city-pair to two carriers per side, no one will be able to add service in the FLL/IAD/BWI-CUN markets, with US/NK serving FLL-CUN, US/UA serving IAD-CUN, and US/U5 serving BWI-CUN.

U5???????????????????  Confused  Confused  Confused
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:38 am

It is very nice to hear for expansion from IAD/BWI-CUN and also, it will be add from FLL-CUN and it is after complete of Spirit Airlines and doing very well with those load factor.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:18 am

U5 = USA3000 Airlines.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:18 am

727LOVER:

I'm not sure what your "U5????????" is all about, but if you're unclear on what airline that is, it's USA 3000.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:49 am

Yes, it is for USA 3000 was already service from BWI-CUN.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:30 am

While I love to read about expansion from any and all airlines... US needs to fix the problems of the existing network before it looks to expand. IMHO, they are "spreading themselves thin" and making themselves an easier target.

RE: pre-emptive strike... hmmm. It's not who strikes first but who's there in the end  Big grin
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:53 am

Edited to add: From IAD, US currently offers Saturday service to SJU. From BWI, US currently offers seasonal daily service to BDA.

From FLL, US also has twice weekly seasonal service to BDA (WeSa).
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:22 am

I think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).

I hope US will make a profit in these routes (at least load factors will be very good); hopefully this will be helpful in their efforts not to disappear.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:26 am

I think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).


AA has been flying BOS-CUN since before US Airways started service.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:29 am

think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).


AA already serves BOS-CUN with 2 or 3 days a week service (depending on the season).
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:29 am

Yes, I didn't know what U5 was. Thought it might have been a typo for UA. See, I learned something today!  Big thumbs up
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:27 pm

AirlineFanatic said...While I love to read about expansion from any and all airlines... US needs to fix the problems of the existing network before it looks to expand. IMHO, they are "spreading themselves thin" and making themselves an easier target. RE: pre-emptive strike... hmmm. It's not who strikes first but who's there in the end

Perhaps you need to re-read your post. Yes they need to fix problems on their existing network, this is how they are fixing them. 70% of their mainline route network is unprofitable...guess what is profitable...Europe and the Caribbean. This is a great move on their part. If they were smart they would move as many mainline jets as possible to these longer stage flights and throw the RJs, Embraers and Dash 8s on the short hops in the east.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:37 pm

I don't understand how low yield Carribbean routes are profitable, yet business routes to LGA and DC and PHL are not. Am I missing something?  Confused
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:36 pm

Guys,

Are you sure about new flight from FLL-CUN with US Airways? Can you anyone to know about with those new service?
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:50 pm

Guys,

Are you sure about new flight from FLL-CUN with US Airways? Can you anyone to know about with those new service?


US Airways has yet to make an announcement about any of the new CUN service. They applied with the DOT for FLL-CUN over a month ago. There were no objections to the application, and they should receive the authority within the next week or two. The application proposes year-round service beginning around 17 July 2004, initially on Saturdays only.

The FLL filing is at http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/271253_web.pdf.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:35 am

Thanks for explain to me about new service to CUN.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:35 am

Ouboy79... RE: "Perhaps you need to re-read your post."

I re-read it again and I stand behind my statement. US is not going to solve their massive problems by adding some Saturday frequencies to CUN and other Caribbean markets but that's my opinion.

Let me give you a fact

Pax carried USAirways:
2001: 62,000,000
2002: 54,000,000
2003: 47,000,000

aren't we suppose to be seeing post 9/11 RECOVERY... those numbers don't appear to be recovering.

US needs to define where they want to be, who they want to serve and suffice being a niche player doing that (which is who they were comfortably until ambitious expansion - USAir turned USAirways failed).
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:39 am

Yes, it is continues to make recovery after 9/11 and doing very good news for expanding with these flights.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:03 am

don't understand how low yield Carribbean routes are profitable, yet business routes to LGA and DC and PHL are not. Am I missing something?

The Caribbean is not low-yield! Limited capacity and limited lowfare compietition (and limited compietition in general to most markets) make it quite a high yield market. Some markets, like St. Croix, Antigua, Nevis, Grenada, and Port of Spain, roll in the profits like crazy.
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RE: US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority

Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:17 am

It is all right for all of those flights to CUN and that is no problems at all.  Smile