OmShanti
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UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP

Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:12 am

Recently on my flight back to BOS from LHR a flight attendant told me UA is planning a non-stop flight from ORD to Delhi and I was in awe. Is that something any of you have heard...??

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RE: UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP

Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:16 am

This is partly new news. United has twice before planned to launch the route but only to canel it before the launch; so it wouldn't suprise me if United actually get around to launching the route this time.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:22 am

The economy of India, like China's, is growing very fast. And the flow of U.S. foreign investment to India is bigger every year. I am sure that there is a market for a direct link between India and a city like Chicago, so I think this is a nice move by UA. I am sure there will be a high number of business passengers, so I expect the yields to be good.
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RE: UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP

Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:26 am

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER? Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:29 am

As far as I can remember, the FA mentioned they were planning on the 747 for the route.

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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:31 am

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER?

No, it would have to be a 744



Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

Probably not. But the 772ER cannot realistically operate this route as twinjets are not allowed to overfly the western Himalayas.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:33 am

I think it was scheduled to begin in 2001, but cancelled for obvious reasons.

It has always been with a 744 in mind. That's got to be about a 14-15 hour flight...along the lines of ORD-HKG, if not longer.

Edited to include lengths, according to great circle mapper:
ORD-DEL 7,484 miles
ORD-HKG 7,794 miles

So yeah, definitely a 744. Would any of UA's 777 aircraft be able to do ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG? I wasn't sure if they had any of the longer range a/c.

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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:35 am

interesting that its out of ORD... previously UA served DEL from LHR and HKG.... I remember being on the LHR-DEL flight and being fascinated by the irregular flight pattern flown to avoid Iraqi and Afghani airspace...
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:40 am

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER? Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

I don't quite understand, are you referring to the temp. in delhi?

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Probably not. But the 772ER cannot realistically operate this route as twinjets are not allowed to overfly the western Himalayas.

Is there a reason for this, I have never come across this restriction before. What about the A330's and 767s that land in delhi....and all the domestic flights with two engine...

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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:40 am

AC has been running this route successful for about 6 months now from YYZ to DEL. They use A343 equipment which just is about enough interms of range.

I imagine this would be a polar flight through Canada and Russia.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:42 am

Why are twins not allowed to overfly western Himalayas....?
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:43 am

UA had scheduled to begin operations on a 747-400 from ORD-DEL around the end of September 2001. 9/11 put an end to that plan.
They had even opened up bookings (I had booked a seat for that flight in December 2001) which had to be cancelled and passengers re-routed or money already paid for UA tickets returned.
The logic behind using ORD as opposed to JFK where there is denser traffic volume was that ORD was a UA hub and could serve passengers connecting from both the East and the West coasts of the US, rather than just the East coast by using JFK.
The service was scrapped because of UA's troubles after 9/11 and slump in traffic.
The route should be very successful if re-launched as flights to India in anycase are almost always jam packed or in the 90's at least for load factors.
I would imagine they would use a 747-400 simply as they can get more bums on seats that way as compared to a 777, besides the 744 can easily do the 15 hour flight.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:50 am

UA took out full page ads in all major newspapers in late August 2001 announcing their ORD-DEL nonstop service which was to start the following month.

This route was one of the many secondary casualties of the Sept. 11th tragedy.

If the report is true, I'm glad to see that they're showing some interest in it again. The route was to be operated using a B744 with PW4000 engines.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:02 am

Don't hold your breath for this anytime soon.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:14 am

"Why are twins not allowed to overfly western Himalayas....?"

From what I understand twin engine aircraft would have to descend lower than three or four engined aircraft in order to get the optimal single engine out performance. This optimal altitude would make operations in and around the Western Himalays dangerous because of aforementioned obstacles.
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:22 am

If UA were to re-launch ORD-Delhi, it would use the 744......and like the HKG services, it would top the fuel tanks to overflow, use the most fuel effecient airframes/engines in the fleet, and make every effort to try to ensure that the flight would be able to operate nonstop. This route, like a few others, pushes the 744 to its opeational limits.

While AC does operate the Toronto-Delhi route nonstop with an A343, it has been reported that the flight is a rather regular visitor to Stockholm (and sometimes Paris) on the difficult westbound Delhi-Toronto leg and even sometimes on the eastbound segment. When AC receives its A345s, the rumor is that they will be assigned to this route so that the frequent operational stops can be eliminated.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:23 am

AC make fuelstop here in Stockholm on some of their Toronto-Delhi-Toronto flights. It was here just a few days ago...

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RE: UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP

Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:40 am

Due to the outsourcing trend, there is now a huge amount of business traffic between the Midwestern US and India. If you use Star Alliance Airlines, try getting a ticket across YYZ or FRA to DEL. You might not be able to get your day of choice. I have dozens of friends who work for major Chicago area corporations who now travel frequently to DEL. In additional, you also have a large Indian American population in Chicago, many of whom don't always want to use the ORD-LHR-BOM Air India flight. I believe at this point in time UA could easily fill a ORD-DEL non-stop flight and have a decent yield.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:32 am

ETOPS limitations would require the flights to go around the highest terrain.

Most of the twin ops in India just divert around the range, a longhaul flight can't spare the fuel.

777s are NOT allowed to overfly those areas.

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RE: UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP

Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:40 am

would air india persue their strategy of only flying non sop to the USA given competition on the route?

fantastic news if it is true.
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Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:03 am

Airindia is so disorganized and over-run by venal and corrupt officials that even to sanction the purchase of toilet paper for teh airline a bribe has to be paid and that too takes months. To organize a non-stop flight to US, if they have spare aircraft which they currently do not, will take a long time yet.
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